New - Pace and Cap

glue4659 · 07-30-2013, 08:31 AM

Hello everyone. My name is Pete. I am new and don't have a clue! Where do I even start?

Bill V. · 07-30-2013, 10:38 AM

Hi Pete

The best thing to do just ask questions
Its really how this whole pace and cap thing started

Just think of it as a group of your people sitting around at the racetrack.
If you want help its here, If you have questions, we will hear you.

Bill

Ted Craven · 07-30-2013, 11:25 AM

Pete,

Bill's advice is excellent! After the emails and phone conversations we've had, and the remote connect session(s?) to go over RDSS2, I'm not specifically sure what your main question is. Not that we should have already covered everything, by any means.

But if you need someone to do a race with you again, perhaps side by side remotely, or perhaps if you pick a race and put up some screenshots of your paceline selections and questions about them or about final contender separation and bet structure - I'm sure folks are standing by! If this were easy, as one member's tagline says 'everyone would be doing it ...'

Check some of the posts by other new members who are also trying to digest things. For example, the races they have put up, their process in trying to get a consistent approach. Download the Teaching Forum Example Database and follow along with the 60 or 70 races discussed there (or at least some of them).

The first step (and the next ones) are yours

Looking forward to working some races you put up!

cheers,

Ted

Because I Can Jim · 07-30-2013, 11:32 AM

Hey Pete,

Glad to have you aboard.

The first thing that you must realize "before" you get started is that there is an enormous amount of information on this forum. When someone first gets started, we all feel overwhelmed. The mehthodology and software has evolved over time. This is compounded by the fact that it is a "method" which menas there are no set rules - only guidlines/theory/concepts that each of us must learn to adapt for ourselves and come up with our "own" method. How each of us handicaps will be similiar to others, but, not quite like them exactly. It is not a cookbook.

With that said, in my mind, there are two areas that need to be covered.

1) How to use RDSS2. Here is the link on the forum:
http://paceandcap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9105

Start here first. Watch the videos follow the other links. However, don't get too involved as if the videos are gospel or a link is gospel. Instead, just sit back and take it all in.

2) Then there is the learning of the methodology aspect. A good place to start is the Teaching thread. There is a database that you can download for free which uses RDSS2 and coincides with the races being discussed in the teaching thread.

Here is the link for the database:
http://paceandcap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9127

Here is the link for the Teaching Threads:
http://paceandcap.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=116

Here is the link for a very good thread to begin with inside the teaching thread:
http://paceandcap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8784

After reading the thread for the contender and pace line selections, I would go back to the beginning of the thread and read going forward. Just take it in. You are not going to be able to "learn" by reading one time. There are too many moving parts that are synergistic to be able to read and learn as if you are reading a history textbook.

Once you have gone through these, try some of the ideas on your own. Don't focus on "geting it right." Instead, just focus on what is happening. Questions will come up. Post the questions on the forum. Others on the forum will respond and give you further guidance to move you along. However, don't think you will get it overnight or even quickly. It takes time to learn how to apply the concepts and make them work for you. Just remember, there are people here to help you. You just need to ask.

One last thing....

As far as the Follow Up manuals and the other Manuals are concerned...

I'll begin with the Manual section of the forum first. Many of the manuals are from seminars that were conducted by the Doc. In them, there are races and their analysis. However, these were from a specific point in time using different versions of the software as it was evolving and are difficult to understand and apply using RDSS2 today. This causes confusion for those who are just getting started. I would skip these and only scan through them sometime further in the future when you have a more thorough grounding in the methodology and can decide what applies to you and what you can skip.

However.....And this is important......

I would read the following:
The Yellow Manual
http://paceandcap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4875
The Paceline Manual
http://paceandcap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6999
The Red Matchup Manual
http://paceandcap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6089

There are others, but, would read these first as they provide the fundamental concepts that apply regardless of which software program was being used. The software is just a tool. You do not even need software to handicap successfully if you are using the methodology, but, most of us do use some version of it.

As far as the Follow Ups are concerned, these were ongoing periodicals published over time using the various versions of the software. It is recommended that you pay more attention to number 70 and above. Just realize that while some of what you see there is similiar to RDSS2, it won't be the same.

The Follow Ups are good to read (even from the first edition). It is just that out of the 70 or so pages in each one, only 1 or 2 articles might be pertinent to you at any one time. You will be skipping much is what is in them. When you are further down the road, it is good to peruse them as sort of "advanced" education.

So, in summary:
1) learn to use RDSS2
2) download the teaching database and use it in going through the Teaching thread
3) study the three manuals

Notice, these are only guidelines - not rules or step-by-step instructions. You may deviate from what I wrote based upon your interest.

For example, after reading the Red Matchup Manual, you might have an interest in the way Jimmy Bradshaw used the methodolgy and might want to know more. If you have a question, post it to the forum. Most likely someone would point you to the Matchup section of the forum to learn more about his way of looking at a race there.

Or maybe, you have more of an interest in Energy or BLBL or whatever. Post your questions. That is how you will get help.

I hope this helps.

Jim
Any Questions. Any Time.

glue4659 · 07-31-2013, 08:29 AM

Just wanted to mention how impressed I am in re; to the replies to my post. This certainly is a tightknit community and I already feel like a part of it! Special thanks to Ted for taking the time to get me acclimated. Much to learn and looking forward to it. Much thanks all! Pete

Lt1 · 07-31-2013, 08:42 AM

Welcome Pete. You have come to the right place. FTL,Ted, Bill V as well as others post valuable info. So get tied on and enjoy the ride to profits.

Tim g

glue4659 · 08-11-2013, 07:09 PM

Thanks Tim.

joefour · 08-12-2013, 04:40 PM

Welcome, Pete!

This is the place to be.
By the way, I like the name of your town!

Segwin · 08-12-2013, 06:43 PM

Welcome Pete!

You will meet a lot of helpful folks here (as you can see already). I just started reading as much as I could. Just remember if you sit down to eat an elephant you still do it one bite at a time. It will fall into place.

dirty moose · 08-12-2013, 10:53 PM

Hey Pete, welcome aboard. I'm fairly new around here too.Just into one of our live selection processes one of these day/nights. The last few night we have all focused on one race track and cap the card as the day went on.

It's really helpful to follow along, you can ask the questions while they are fresh in your head and we are all at attention. Also I think after reading and reading and reading some more... I think the best way to learn and understand it to just get your hands dirty and do practice races.

The more races you do thru RDSS the better you will get at knowing what to look for. And just ask questions! No question is "dumb" or "bad". When I started learning I even had to ask Tim (LT1) what the difference was between sprint and a route was.
Good luck in your learning.

Matt

07-30-2013, 08:31 AM	#1
glue4659 AlwNW2X Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Delmar, NY Posts: 28	New Hello everyone. My name is Pete. I am new and don't have a clue! Where do I even start?

07-30-2013, 10:38 AM	#2
Bill V. The egg man Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Carlsbad, California Posts: 10,005	Welcome Hi Pete The best thing to do just ask questions Its really how this whole pace and cap thing started Just think of it as a group of your people sitting around at the racetrack. If you want help its here, If you have questions, we will hear you. Bill

07-30-2013, 11:25 AM	#3
Ted Craven Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Nanaimo, British Columbia, Canada Posts: 9,238	Pete, Bill's advice is excellent! After the emails and phone conversations we've had, and the remote connect session(s?) to go over RDSS2, I'm not specifically sure what your main question is. Not that we should have already covered everything, by any means. But if you need someone to do a race with you again, perhaps side by side remotely, or perhaps if you pick a race and put up some screenshots of your paceline selections and questions about them or about final contender separation and bet structure - I'm sure folks are standing by! If this were easy, as one member's tagline says 'everyone would be doing it ...' Check some of the posts by other new members who are also trying to digest things. For example, the races they have put up, their process in trying to get a consistent approach. Download the Teaching Forum Example Database and follow along with the 60 or 70 races discussed there (or at least some of them). The first step (and the next ones) are yours Looking forward to working some races you put up! cheers, Ted __________________ RDSS - Racing Decision Support System™

07-31-2013, 08:29 AM	#5
glue4659 AlwNW2X Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Delmar, NY Posts: 28	A good start Just wanted to mention how impressed I am in re; to the replies to my post. This certainly is a tightknit community and I already feel like a part of it! Special thanks to Ted for taking the time to get me acclimated. Much to learn and looking forward to it. Much thanks all! Pete

08-12-2013, 04:40 PM	#8
joefour AlwNW3X Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 49	New Welcome, Pete! This is the place to be. By the way, I like the name of your town!

07-30-2013, 11:32 AM	#4
Because I Can Jim Grade 1 Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 203	Hey Pete, Glad to have you aboard. The first thing that you must realize "before" you get started is that there is an enormous amount of information on this forum. When someone first gets started, we all feel overwhelmed. The mehthodology and software has evolved over time. This is compounded by the fact that it is a "method" which menas there are no set rules - only guidlines/theory/concepts that each of us must learn to adapt for ourselves and come up with our "own" method. How each of us handicaps will be similiar to others, but, not quite like them exactly. It is not a cookbook. With that said, in my mind, there are two areas that need to be covered. 1) How to use RDSS2. Here is the link on the forum: http://paceandcap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9105 Start here first. Watch the videos follow the other links. However, don't get too involved as if the videos are gospel or a link is gospel. Instead, just sit back and take it all in. 2) Then there is the learning of the methodology aspect. A good place to start is the Teaching thread. There is a database that you can download for free which uses RDSS2 and coincides with the races being discussed in the teaching thread. Here is the link for the database: http://paceandcap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9127 Here is the link for the Teaching Threads: http://paceandcap.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=116 Here is the link for a very good thread to begin with inside the teaching thread: http://paceandcap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8784 After reading the thread for the contender and pace line selections, I would go back to the beginning of the thread and read going forward. Just take it in. You are not going to be able to "learn" by reading one time. There are too many moving parts that are synergistic to be able to read and learn as if you are reading a history textbook. Once you have gone through these, try some of the ideas on your own. Don't focus on "geting it right." Instead, just focus on what is happening. Questions will come up. Post the questions on the forum. Others on the forum will respond and give you further guidance to move you along. However, don't think you will get it overnight or even quickly. It takes time to learn how to apply the concepts and make them work for you. Just remember, there are people here to help you. You just need to ask. One last thing.... As far as the Follow Up manuals and the other Manuals are concerned... I'll begin with the Manual section of the forum first. Many of the manuals are from seminars that were conducted by the Doc. In them, there are races and their analysis. However, these were from a specific point in time using different versions of the software as it was evolving and are difficult to understand and apply using RDSS2 today. This causes confusion for those who are just getting started. I would skip these and only scan through them sometime further in the future when you have a more thorough grounding in the methodology and can decide what applies to you and what you can skip. However.....And this is important...... I would read the following: The Yellow Manual http://paceandcap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4875 The Paceline Manual http://paceandcap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6999 The Red Matchup Manual http://paceandcap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6089 There are others, but, would read these first as they provide the fundamental concepts that apply regardless of which software program was being used. The software is just a tool. You do not even need software to handicap successfully if you are using the methodology, but, most of us do use some version of it. As far as the Follow Ups are concerned, these were ongoing periodicals published over time using the various versions of the software. It is recommended that you pay more attention to number 70 and above. Just realize that while some of what you see there is similiar to RDSS2, it won't be the same. The Follow Ups are good to read (even from the first edition). It is just that out of the 70 or so pages in each one, only 1 or 2 articles might be pertinent to you at any one time. You will be skipping much is what is in them. When you are further down the road, it is good to peruse them as sort of "advanced" education. So, in summary: 1) learn to use RDSS2 2) download the teaching database and use it in going through the Teaching thread 3) study the three manuals Notice, these are only guidelines - not rules or step-by-step instructions. You may deviate from what I wrote based upon your interest. For example, after reading the Red Matchup Manual, you might have an interest in the way Jimmy Bradshaw used the methodolgy and might want to know more. If you have a question, post it to the forum. Most likely someone would point you to the Matchup section of the forum to learn more about his way of looking at a race there. Or maybe, you have more of an interest in Energy or BLBL or whatever. Post your questions. That is how you will get help. I hope this helps. Jim Any Questions. Any Time.

07-31-2013, 08:42 AM	#6
Lt1 Grade 1 Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Valley Stream NY Posts: 11,371	Welcome Pete. You have come to the right place. FTL,Ted, Bill V as well as others post valuable info. So get tied on and enjoy the ride to profits. Tim g

08-11-2013, 07:09 PM	#7
glue4659 AlwNW2X Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Delmar, NY Posts: 28	Thanks Tim.

08-12-2013, 06:43 PM	#9
Segwin Grade 1 Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 624	Welcome Pete! You will meet a lot of helpful folks here (as you can see already). I just started reading as much as I could. Just remember if you sit down to eat an elephant you still do it one bite at a time. It will fall into place. __________________ Terry

08-12-2013, 10:53 PM	#10
dirty moose Grade 1 Join Date: May 2013 Location: NY Posts: 485	Hey Pete, welcome aboard. I'm fairly new around here too.Just into one of our live selection processes one of these day/nights. The last few night we have all focused on one race track and cap the card as the day went on. It's really helpful to follow along, you can ask the questions while they are fresh in your head and we are all at attention. Also I think after reading and reading and reading some more... I think the best way to learn and understand it to just get your hands dirty and do practice races. The more races you do thru RDSS the better you will get at knowing what to look for. And just ask questions! No question is "dumb" or "bad". When I started learning I even had to ask Tim (LT1) what the difference was between sprint and a route was. Good luck in your learning. Matt