TE & %M as a form indicator - Pace and Cap

noddub62 · 03-31-2006, 06:54 PM

I still am intrigued with using the various Spec outputs to determine form, particularly TE & %M. For increasing TE & %M I note in my comment line
(F9) a + for increasing TE and a + for decreasing %M, - signs for the opposites, 0 for no change, and ? for unknown. I also note if the horse is a layoff coming back or if this will be the 2nd or 3rd after a layoff. Also note last time winners and by how much (the old Scott - How will your Horse Run carry over mind set).

At this point I won't mix dirt and turf but I do mix route to sprint and vice versa. Probably should not but for right now I'm gathering data to analyze later. I will run thu 3 or 4 cards for a Thursday nite at LS simucast and try to find races where I have two pluses (++) in my top 4 to 5 contenders. The tracks are Ev, Ct, Pen, TP or Hou right now. Currently my wager will be on two pluses or a 2nd or 3rd back with ??. (The ?? usually indicates that it is a betable horse - just cannot do a + or - for whatever reason.)

The 2 ++ should put you on a live horse but not always. The 2 -- or a -+, +- will usuall indicate a false favorite or false mid-tier, but not always. I have managed too eliminate the top 2 or 3 tiers more than once and get a juicy payout. Last week I got the W & P and exacta on tier 4 and 5 and both were double digit odds. I have had several "ahead of the game nites" but I looked like John the Baptist last nite, so you never know and that's why its called gambling, to quote my wife. (She did get a trinket from the exacta for putting up with me).

I will be looking at refining these form indicators, I hope, and will also share what comes out of the hopper.

QUESTION in all of this! Anybody got any insight that they want to share as I just as soon not reinvent the wheel?

Thanks,

Bud

PS Lone Star starts live in 13 days and I can't wait to see the pretty Texas girls in those short cut-off Levi's, smell the horses, cash some tickets and drink some cold, cold beer.

Remember the Alamo!

RichieP · 04-01-2006, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by noddub62

I still am intrigued with using the various Spec outputs to determine form, particularly TE & %M. For increasing TE & %M I note in my comment line
(F9) a + for increasing TE and a + for decreasing %M, - signs for the opposites, 0 for no change, and ? for unknown. I also note if the horse is a layoff coming back or if this will be the 2nd or 3rd after a layoff. Also note last time winners and by how much (the old Scott - How will your Horse Run carry over mind set).

At this point I won't mix dirt and turf but I do mix route to sprint and vice versa. Probably should not but for right now I'm gathering data to analyze later. I will run thu 3 or 4 cards for a Thursday nite at LS simucast and try to find races where I have two pluses (++) in my top 4 to 5 contenders. The tracks are Ev, Ct, Pen, TP or Hou right now. Currently my wager will be on two pluses or a 2nd or 3rd back with ??. (The ?? usually indicates that it is a betable horse - just cannot do a + or - for whatever reason.)

The 2 ++ should put you on a live horse but not always. The 2 -- or a -+, +- will usuall indicate a false favorite or false mid-tier, but not always. I have managed too eliminate the top 2 or 3 tiers more than once and get a juicy payout. Last week I got the W & P and exacta on tier 4 and 5 and both were double digit odds. I have had several "ahead of the game nites" but I looked like John the Baptist last nite, so you never know and that's why its called gambling, to quote my wife. (She did get a trinket from the exacta for putting up with me).

I will be looking at refining these form indicators, I hope, and will also share what comes out of the hopper.

QUESTION in all of this! Anybody got any insight that they want to share as I just as soon not reinvent the wheel?

Thanks,

Bud

PS Lone Star starts live in 13 days and I can't wait to see the pretty Texas girls in those short cut-off Levi's, smell the horses, cash some tickets and drink some cold, cold beer.

Remember the Alamo!

Very creative Bud! I am gonna clock it at 2 tracks I follow pretty closely ok?

Sounds interesting. You will lose all the horses that are coming off bad last races ( lots of those are the price guys) BUT you will also GAIN some solid BOMBS too!

There is ALWAYS a give and take in whatever we do in racing. least thats my opinion

stay cool Bud and thanx again
Richie

admin · 04-01-2006, 10:28 AM

I really Loved that Book
how will your horse run today

I tried your method here
I happen to have these Vector Shots from a race I did at
Philly over in the Club Pace and Cap area

I added the + - or 0's in the Comment area in blue
Here is horse 1

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Horse 2

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Horse 3

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Horse 4

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RichieP · 04-01-2006, 11:49 AM

[QUOTE=noddub62](F9) a + for increasing TE and a + for decreasing %M, - signs for the opposites, 0 for no change, and ? for unknown. I also note if the horse is a layoff coming back or if this will be the 2nd or 3rd after a layoff. Also note last time winners and by how much (the old Scott - How will your Horse Run carry over mind set).

Thanks,

Bud

Bud,
Question please.

How many races are you using to determine ++ or -- ?? last 2? last 3?

Thanx
Richie

03-31-2006, 06:54 PM	#1
noddub62 Budman Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 801	TE & %M as a form indicator I still am intrigued with using the various Spec outputs to determine form, particularly TE & %M. For increasing TE & %M I note in my comment line (F9) a + for increasing TE and a + for decreasing %M, - signs for the opposites, 0 for no change, and ? for unknown. I also note if the horse is a layoff coming back or if this will be the 2nd or 3rd after a layoff. Also note last time winners and by how much (the old Scott - How will your Horse Run carry over mind set). At this point I won't mix dirt and turf but I do mix route to sprint and vice versa. Probably should not but for right now I'm gathering data to analyze later. I will run thu 3 or 4 cards for a Thursday nite at LS simucast and try to find races where I have two pluses (++) in my top 4 to 5 contenders. The tracks are Ev, Ct, Pen, TP or Hou right now. Currently my wager will be on two pluses or a 2nd or 3rd back with ??. (The ?? usually indicates that it is a betable horse - just cannot do a + or - for whatever reason.) The 2 ++ should put you on a live horse but not always. The 2 -- or a -+, +- will usuall indicate a false favorite or false mid-tier, but not always. I have managed too eliminate the top 2 or 3 tiers more than once and get a juicy payout. Last week I got the W & P and exacta on tier 4 and 5 and both were double digit odds. I have had several "ahead of the game nites" but I looked like John the Baptist last nite, so you never know and that's why its called gambling, to quote my wife. (She did get a trinket from the exacta for putting up with me). I will be looking at refining these form indicators, I hope, and will also share what comes out of the hopper. QUESTION in all of this! Anybody got any insight that they want to share as I just as soon not reinvent the wheel? Thanks, Bud PS Lone Star starts live in 13 days and I can't wait to see the pretty Texas girls in those short cut-off Levi's, smell the horses, cash some tickets and drink some cold, cold beer. Remember the Alamo!

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admin Administrator Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,643	One of my all time fav books I really Loved that Book how will your horse run today I tried your method here I happen to have these Vector Shots from a race I did at Philly over in the Club Pace and Cap area I added the + - or 0's in the Comment area in blue Here is horse 1 Attached Images

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RichieP Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 7,019	[QUOTE=noddub62](F9) a + for increasing TE and a + for decreasing %M, - signs for the opposites, 0 for no change, and ? for unknown. I also note if the horse is a layoff coming back or if this will be the 2nd or 3rd after a layoff. Also note last time winners and by how much (the old Scott - How will your Horse Run carry over mind set). Thanks, Bud Bud, Question please. How many races are you using to determine ++ or -- ?? last 2? last 3? Thanx Richie