The predictive e/l balance

[Bill V.]

Originally Posted by Charlie D

Everything that differs from Tims view seems to be Malarkey


No point putting up an opposing view really is there

Charlie .. I will
This is the heart of the Sartin Methodology

Its all mainstream The crowd loves this , Early is were its at.. Look for early
The horse will go out to the lead and never look back
Mainstream

I will stand firm that no single readout is were its al
The horse runs the race in todays match up

For every example posted of this or that readout producing winners
I will put in the same lines and do very well using the top 5 Primary line score and total energy lines and using
5 Sartin Methodology readouts

1 VDC
2. Total Energy
3. Balance
4. FX
5. The Early Late graph

Bill

[xtb]

Originally Posted by Tim Y

Wel since I have TONS of substantiation for years, and YOU have NONE, which one do you think an OBJECTIVE third party might accept?

BRING forth DATA to show that differing point of view and THEN and only then will that differing position have ANY VALIDITY AT ALL

Opinion doesn't cut it in a rational debate

Tim, can you please provide us with the data from yours and/or the 5 independent studies you referred to earlier, so that we can draw our own conclusions? Thank you.

[Charlie D]

You can use any race you like Tim

The result is mainly down to the influence of the horse v horse v horse Match Up

[Tim Y]

Originally Posted by Charlie D

You can use any race you like Tim

The result is mainly down to the influence of the horse v horse v horse Match Up

A novice without ANY data can say that with conviction but the data predicts differently

Lots of it is coming it is on some older CD's I have to access.

I am awaiting ANYTHING that would substantiate otherwise, but that is never going to happen.

I see this growing trend in the populous to fall into the trap of Nonscientific acceptance of erroneous ideas like foot reflexology based upon nonsense but promoted as fact even though reams of data proved that it is totally bogus. Indicative of a nonthinking populous.

[Tim Y]

Originally Posted by xtb

Tim, can you please provide us with the data from yours and/or the 5 independent studies you referred to earlier, so that we can draw our own conclusions? Thank you.

they are all at Sartin Alums from many sources: Terry, Jack, Dylan, Earl etc. find them yourself

[Tim Y]

fifth race is a repeat

th race - Aqueduct - January 10, 2009
Pgm Horse Win Place Show
7 The Vin Man 19.00 10.40 6.50
4 Holly Time 6.60 4.30
11 Golden Man 4.10

[Tim Y]

[QUOTE=Bill V.;46376]Charlie .. I will
This is the heart of the Sartin Methodology

Its all mainstream The crowd loves this , Early is were its at.. Look for early
The horse will go out to the lead and never look back
Mainstream

Bill I am afraid that you don't even have mainstream correctly: they are all POSTIONISTS not energy distribution advocates

[tom]

That is exactly what he said - go to the front and not look back. That is positional.

Myself, I would really like to see just one of these mysterious "studies" that are oft mentioned yet never seen.

Aqu 1st today - won by the top Beyer fig horse, place horse there on class. Only three horses figured to meet the race conditions - 4,5,6. There were two of them at the wire. No pace was needed in that one.

[Tim Y]

here is another that the e/l promoted as posted at alums last year

"Emma Jayne has a shot to steal the Queen's Plate tomorrow with Mike
Fox but Jiggs Coz and Wakefield will be running at her late. The two
year old champ Leonnatus had % medians that look like a turfer or 12
furlong colt.....


let's see how it goes."


Paid over 30 dollars

and one of the advocates who had substantiated that same study responded:

"Great call! My only wager of the day - after watching the claimers in
the race prior to the Queens Plate run the half in 44.1 and finish 6.5f
in 115.99, only .06 off the track record, it was clear the fix was on
for the speed to have a chance to win the Plate. The 2C horses ran
1,2,3! tk

or a third e/l devotee piped in:

"This is # 4 - another Tip from you, that I did not listen too.

Nice picking, I would like to pick your brain sometime about this pick.

Please let me know when you are free to chat.

Jack"

[xtb]

Originally Posted by Tim Y

they are all at Sartin Alums from many sources: Terry, Jack, Dylan, Earl etc. find them yourself

About what I expected.