Top 3 Things - Page 2 - Pace and Cap

socantra · 04-08-2007, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by shoeless

Sorry for the tirade fellow members and especially to Bill but to be honest Im really sick of this guy.Jeff

Jeff,

Are you aware that if you left click on a poster's name and go to their "Public Profile", you have two options at the top of the page. One places that person on your "Buddy" list. I'm not sure what that one does. The other palces the person on your "Ignore" list. That one makes the person disappear (to you) and you no longer see their posts. You can edit the list at any time from your control panel.

I've used the feature many times at PA and it can do wonders for your blood pressure. I haven't felt the need to use it here yet but its nice to know its there.

Dick

socantra · 04-08-2007, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by socantra

Jeff,

I've used the feature many times at PA and it can do wonders for your blood pressure. I haven't felt the need to use it here yet but its nice to know its there.

Let me rephrse that. I just tried it out and it does wonders for my blood pressure here too.

Dick

shoeless · 04-08-2007, 07:15 PM

Dick,Thanks for the heads up I didnt realize that.The sad thing about it is you shouldnt have to do it in the first place.Jeff

winbets · 04-08-2007, 09:57 PM

Top 5 Total Pace ratings horses will almost always have the winner

RichieP · 04-09-2007, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by lbj

Richie,
are you talking to me?
Pino

Morning Pino
NO I wasn't.

I deleted the post that I felt was personally offensive.

Any personal or derogatory attacks on an individual will be deleted immediately. Debate is fine. The other stuff is NOT.

This board is NOT the place for that.

Ciao
Richie

Bob Cochran · 04-09-2007, 09:10 AM

What are the top 3 things you are looking for when picking a paceline??

Jeff , i think everyone should be reminded of the original question which
started this thread.

JimG · 04-09-2007, 09:42 AM

I don't have 3 things, only 1.

I try to pick the paceline that I think most closely represents how I think the horse will run today.

How do I determine that? Through years of observation and experience. I look for things like trainer changes, jockey changes, layoffs, form cycles, class changes, equipment changes, makeup of current race as it pertains to early pace, post postition, track bias, etc. The class of horse and track can make a big difference. Picking pacelines for Saratoga is very different from picking pacelines for Mountaineer. Recency certainly matters and if I think 2 lines are representative of the effort I expect the horse to give today I will normally pick the most recent of the two lines.

I know this may not be classic Sartin, but it is how I do it.

Jim

shoeless · 04-09-2007, 05:59 PM

Bob,Your right I apologize for getting sidetracked.Winbets thanks for the reply but TPR wouldnt be a way of picking pacelines I think it's more for contenders.Jeff

Houndog · 04-10-2007, 01:11 PM

More of an artform than an exact science.

1) I try to stay away from a paceline that is atypical of a horses usual performance.

2) I try to stay away from projecting or extracting a paceline if at all possible, especially if projecting since more often than not they project too fast in programs such as Thoromation.

3) I try to avoid wire to wire unchallenged winning pacelines, especially older horses since they come out as monsters on the readouts, but often lose.

4) Sorry Jeff, this is more than 3, but I tend not to go too far back for a paceline with cheaper claiming horses. On the other hand I will go back for a paceline with classier horses.

5) I ask myself why did the horse run good or ran badly in it's last race. Was it the first race off of a layoff? Wrong distance, traffic problems, etc. I need to have a good reason to discount a horse's last race before I want to go back for another paceline. If none of these reasons are present I tend to be less forgiving of a bad last race performance. You may miss a couple of winners, but you will also be eliminating many horses that are in the downward spiral of their form cycle.

shoeless · 04-10-2007, 04:06 PM

Houndog,Those were good,Im thinking about No3 with the wire to wire unchallenged winners.I have gotten burned on these because a lot of times they will come up No1 on SP as well.Jeff

04-09-2007, 09:10 AM	#16
Bob Cochran Grade 1 Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 329	top 3 things What are the top 3 things you are looking for when picking a paceline?? Jeff , i think everyone should be reminded of the original question which started this thread.

04-10-2007, 01:11 PM	#19
Houndog Grade 1 Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,258	Paceline Selection More of an artform than an exact science. 1) I try to stay away from a paceline that is atypical of a horses usual performance. 2) I try to stay away from projecting or extracting a paceline if at all possible, especially if projecting since more often than not they project too fast in programs such as Thoromation. 3) I try to avoid wire to wire unchallenged winning pacelines, especially older horses since they come out as monsters on the readouts, but often lose. 4) Sorry Jeff, this is more than 3, but I tend not to go too far back for a paceline with cheaper claiming horses. On the other hand I will go back for a paceline with classier horses. 5) I ask myself why did the horse run good or ran badly in it's last race. Was it the first race off of a layoff? Wrong distance, traffic problems, etc. I need to have a good reason to discount a horse's last race before I want to go back for another paceline. If none of these reasons are present I tend to be less forgiving of a bad last race performance. You may miss a couple of winners, but you will also be eliminating many horses that are in the downward spiral of their form cycle.

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