Picking Horses vs Picking Pacelines - Pace and Cap

VoodooFan · 10-12-2006, 12:52 PM

Mr. Bradshaw , I heard you say that before. Can you expound on this a little more? This seem to be very important point you stressed before. How strong of a point is this in relation to the MatchUp? I hope in the future you or Richie can show a race with ONLY this example of Picking Horses vs Picking Pacelines. Also, how does Picking Horses dovetail into finding the horse who has run the best in his last race, at todays distance and todays track? Thanks

THE HAT · 10-12-2006, 03:41 PM

Here goes Voodoo.

When checking running styles I find a lone Early, but there isn’t any line showing where the horse won the race, but his first two calls indicate that he is a very fast horse and will get the lead in today’s race. This is the horse I pick to win the race.

If I believe the race will go other than Early I may pick another horse with a different running style and try to find a running line for this horse. So in reality I’m picking horse’s running styles and then find running lines that will make the horse the winner.

In most instances I do not know the horse's name, or the track where he last ran. The horse that is going to take the lead is the first thing I look for in today’s race and nothing else matters. I do not apply any
traditional handicapping methods..

The Hat

RichieP · 10-12-2006, 06:05 PM

Voodoo Fan,

I am gonna post a race Jim asked me to work from Belmont on Sunday. I did NOT bet the race because I was wagering Keeneland and sucking wind there man.

This is exactly how I did the race with Jim before knowing the result. Before I start Jim has me matching turf races using turf lines. PERIOD. ALL other lines do NOT exist.

The pp's I use gives me a filter where I can show only turf races and block out the dirt lines. I use this feature ALL the time so that is what I am going to post ok? I will show both route and sprint turfs even though I can filter the routes out too if I wished.

I am gonna post the pp's and NOT the result chart. Identify running styles of the horses shown in turf sprints Voodoo.Use the FIRST call please.

We can do this as kind of an interactive learning race ok? ANYONE wanting to post up RUNNING STYLES based on FIRST call turf sprints feel free to do so.

These are the pp's EXACTLY how I work the races including HIDING the ml odds. Let's just match HORSES.

RUNNING STYLES first. Then we will go on.

dont look at the results if you are serious about learning. you wont believe this **** man. Serious.

I will wait a day to let anyone post that is interested then we go to next step. But first things first

1) Identify each horses RUNNING STYLE based on POSITION at FIRST CALL please. Remember today's race is at the SPRINT distance.

here are the race conditions and the 1 horse. Filtered to ONLY show TURF races.

RichieP · 10-12-2006, 06:07 PM

the 2 and 3

RichieP · 10-12-2006, 06:09 PM

the 4,5 and 6

RichieP · 10-12-2006, 06:11 PM

# 8 was scratched. the 7,9 and 10

RichieP · 10-12-2006, 06:12 PM

finally the # 12.

dugoutgold · 10-12-2006, 07:22 PM

Hey Rich, ok Ill try here here goes:

Wave the Baton-definate S type at this dist.
Behind the screen-SP
Robs. FTS (first time starter)
Mohesan Sky-Id say SP
Megatrend-S
Storm Lighting E (LONE E HERE!)
FastIzaTurtle-S but id say more like a LAT here
Ima Yankee-only one start but an S against a fast pace

gl45 · 10-12-2006, 08:13 PM

#1 Wave----> Presser
#2 Behind---> Early
#3 F. Cat---> Presser
#5 M. Sky--> Presser
#6 Mega----> Presser
#7 Storm---> Early
#9 Fast-----> Sustain
#12 Yankee--> Presser

2 Early
5 Presser
1 Sustain

Pino

emilio840 · 10-12-2006, 08:50 PM

Wave the Baton S
Behind the Screen S
Fiddlers SP
Mohegan Sky SP
Megatrend S
Storm N Ligtning E (Lone Early Horse)
Fast Iz A Turtle S
I'm a Yankee SP

10-12-2006, 06:07 PM	#4
RichieP Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 7,019	the 2 and 3 Attached Images __________________ "Grampy I'm talking to you!"

10-12-2006, 08:50 PM	#10
emilio840 Grade 1 Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: I live in Toronto, Ontario, can Posts: 220	Ok rich, here are my running styles Wave the Baton S Behind the Screen S Fiddlers SP Mohegan Sky SP Megatrend S Storm N Ligtning E (Lone Early Horse) Fast Iz A Turtle S I'm a Yankee SP

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10-12-2006, 03:41 PM	#2
THE HAT Grade 2 Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 86	Here goes Voodoo. When checking running styles I find a lone Early, but there isn’t any line showing where the horse won the race, but his first two calls indicate that he is a very fast horse and will get the lead in today’s race. This is the horse I pick to win the race. If I believe the race will go other than Early I may pick another horse with a different running style and try to find a running line for this horse. So in reality I’m picking horse’s running styles and then find running lines that will make the horse the winner. In most instances I do not know the horse's name, or the track where he last ran. The horse that is going to take the lead is the first thing I look for in today’s race and nothing else matters. I do not apply any traditional handicapping methods.. The Hat

10-12-2006, 06:05 PM	#3
RichieP Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 7,019	Running styles - finding horses then lines / Interactive Voodoo Fan, I am gonna post a race Jim asked me to work from Belmont on Sunday. I did NOT bet the race because I was wagering Keeneland and sucking wind there man. This is exactly how I did the race with Jim before knowing the result. Before I start Jim has me matching turf races using turf lines. PERIOD. ALL other lines do NOT exist. The pp's I use gives me a filter where I can show only turf races and block out the dirt lines. I use this feature ALL the time so that is what I am going to post ok? I will show both route and sprint turfs even though I can filter the routes out too if I wished. I am gonna post the pp's and NOT the result chart. Identify running styles of the horses shown in turf sprints Voodoo.Use the FIRST call please. We can do this as kind of an interactive learning race ok? ANYONE wanting to post up RUNNING STYLES based on FIRST call turf sprints feel free to do so. These are the pp's EXACTLY how I work the races including HIDING the ml odds. Let's just match HORSES. RUNNING STYLES first. Then we will go on. dont look at the results if you are serious about learning. you wont believe this **** man. Serious. I will wait a day to let anyone post that is interested then we go to next step. But first things first 1) Identify each horses RUNNING STYLE based on POSITION at FIRST CALL please. Remember today's race is at the SPRINT distance. here are the race conditions and the 1 horse. Filtered to ONLY show TURF races. Attached Images __________________ "Grampy I'm talking to you!"

10-12-2006, 06:09 PM	#5
RichieP Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 7,019	the 4,5 and 6 Attached Images __________________ "Grampy I'm talking to you!"

10-12-2006, 06:11 PM	#6
RichieP Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 7,019	# 8 was scratched. the 7,9 and 10 Attached Images __________________ "Grampy I'm talking to you!"

10-12-2006, 06:12 PM	#7
RichieP Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 7,019	finally the # 12. Attached Images __________________ "Grampy I'm talking to you!"

10-12-2006, 07:22 PM	#8
dugoutgold Grade 1 Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 206	Hey Rich, ok Ill try here here goes: Wave the Baton-definate S type at this dist. Behind the screen-SP Robs. FTS (first time starter) Mohesan Sky-Id say SP Megatrend-S Storm Lighting E (LONE E HERE!) FastIzaTurtle-S but id say more like a LAT here Ima Yankee-only one start but an S against a fast pace

10-12-2006, 08:13 PM	#9
gl45 Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 878	#1 Wave----> Presser #2 Behind---> Early #3 F. Cat---> Presser #5 M. Sky--> Presser #6 Mega----> Presser #7 Storm---> Early #9 Fast-----> Sustain #12 Yankee--> Presser 2 Early 5 Presser 1 Sustain Pino