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alydar_ David 10-11-2005 03:43 PM

PHA -- "What in tarnation...?"
 
I feel like Yosemite Same, "What in tarnation...?"

Look at these mutuels for today so far:

36.80
6.60
7.00
102.60
12.00
30.00

Look at Sunday's payoffs:

5.40
17.40
3.20
47.20
5.00
62.80
18.00

The thing is, with a lot of these big prices...well, there's really no way you can get them.

There are too many that defy explanation -- horses that are 0 for everything in every category.

Something doesn't smell right. I'm done with this track, at least for a while.

Baffalator 10-11-2005 07:23 PM

Phixadephia Park
 
Horses are winning with now apparent foundation. New handicapping method for Philly Park. Eliminate top five horses in current year earnings. Eliminate any horse that has not finished last in one of it's last three starts.

Now you may have a chance.

Binder 10-12-2005 12:45 AM

Sunday
 
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Hi David
some thoughts
Since they re did the track at Philly Park Its been dry and fast
very little rain
If you look at my Philly models You will see how Early = low prices its been
Sunday the track was good Today it was muddy

I have no idea about the mud, I went back and checked Sunday. I looked at race 8 since these were the better horses on this card
The winner # 10 Nice boy comes up VDC 1 .If you can find a reason to go back to line 5
Here is the PP for The winner
and some other readouts with the other horses I used
<TABLE>Total Energy/Primary line score / Hide to top 5



<TBODY></TBODY></TABLE>
<TABLE border=2><TBODY><TR><TH>PN#</TH><TH>Name</TH><TH>Line</TH><TH>T.E.R</TH><TH>EPR</TH><TH>LPR</TH><TH>CPR</TH><TH>TT</TH><TH>HE</TH><TH>FW</TH><TH>FX</TH><TH>PLS Rank</TH><TD align=middle>Hide</TD></TR><TR><TD align=middle>1</TD><TD align=middle>Storm</TD><TD align=middle>3</TD><TD align=middle>3</TD><TD align=middle>2</TD><TD align=middle>4</TD><TD align=middle>3</TD><TD align=middle>3</TD><TD align=middle>3</TD><TD align=middle>1</TD><TD align=middle>3</TD><TD align=middle>3</TD><TD align=middle>-</TD><TR><TD align=middle>2</TD><TD align=middle>Romol</TD><TD align=middle>2</TD><TD align=middle>4</TD><TD align=middle>1</TD><TD align=middle>5</TD><TD align=middle>5</TD><TD align=middle>2</TD><TD align=middle>5</TD><TD align=middle>3</TD><TD align=middle>5</TD><TD align=middle>4</TD><TD align=middle>-</TD><TR><TD align=middle>4</TD><TD align=middle>Luvyo</TD><TD align=middle>3</TD><TD align=middle>7</TD><TD align=middle>7</TD><TD align=middle>4</TD><TD align=middle>7</TD><TD align=middle>6</TD><TD align=middle>5</TD><TD align=middle>7</TD><TD align=middle>7</TD><TD align=middle>6</TD><TD align=middle>X</TD><TR><TD align=middle>7</TD><TD align=middle>Last</TD><TD align=middle>3</TD><TD align=middle>2</TD><TD align=middle>5</TD><TD align=middle>1</TD><TD align=middle>2</TD><TD align=middle>1</TD><TD align=middle>1</TD><TD align=middle>4</TD><TD align=middle>4</TD><TD align=middle>2</TD><TD align=middle>-</TD><TR><TD align=middle>8</TD><TD align=middle>Brians</TD><TD align=middle>1</TD><TD align=middle>5</TD><TD align=middle>4</TD><TD align=middle>3</TD><TD align=middle>4</TD><TD align=middle>5</TD><TD align=middle>4</TD><TD align=middle>5</TD><TD align=middle>2</TD><TD align=middle>5</TD><TD align=middle>-</TD><TR><TD align=middle>10</TD><TD align=middle>Nice</TD><TD align=middle>5</TD><TD align=middle>1</TD><TD align=middle>3</TD><TD align=middle>2</TD><TD align=middle>1</TD><TD align=middle>4</TD><TD align=middle>2</TD><TD align=middle>2</TD><TD align=middle>1</TD><TD align=middle>1</TD><TD align=middle>-</TD><TR><TD align=middle>11</TD><TD align=middle>Two</TD><TD align=middle>2</TD><TD align=middle>4</TD><TD align=middle>3</TD><TD align=middle>5</TD><TD align=middle>5</TD><TD align=middle>4</TD><TD align=middle>5</TD><TD align=middle>6</TD><TD align=middle>4</TD><TD align=middle>6</TD><TD align=middle>1</TD><TR></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

<TABLE>BL/BL with VDC / hides



<TBODY></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE border=2><TBODY><TR><TH>PN#</TH><TH>Name</TH><TH>Line</TH><TH>SR</TH><TH>Bal</TH><TH>LS</TH><TH>Odds</TH><TH>M/L</TH><TH>V_DC</TH><TH>Hide</TH><TR><TD align=middle>10</TD><TD align=middle>Nice</TD><TD align=middle>5</TD><TD align=middle>83</TD><TD align=middle>3</TD><TD align=middle>21.8</TD><TD align=middle>8-5</TD><TD align=middle>15/1</TD><TD align=middle>1</TD><TD align=middle>-</TD><TR><TD align=middle>1</TD><TD align=middle>Storm</TD><TD align=middle>3</TD><TD align=middle>82</TD><TD align=middle>7</TD><TD align=middle>20.8</TD><TD align=middle>9-5</TD><TD align=middle>15/1</TD><TD align=middle>3</TD><TD align=middle>-</TD><TR><TD align=middle>7</TD><TD align=middle>Last</TD><TD align=middle>3</TD><TD align=middle>82</TD><TD align=middle>6</TD><TD align=middle>18.8</TD><TD align=middle>5/2</TD><TD align=middle>15/1</TD><TD align=middle>2</TD><TD align=middle>-</TD><TR><TD align=middle>8</TD><TD align=middle>Brians</TD><TD align=middle>1</TD><TD align=middle>81</TD><TD align=middle>8</TD><TD align=middle>14.3</TD><TD align=middle>7/2</TD><TD align=middle>6/1</TD><TD align=middle>4</TD><TD align=middle>-</TD><TR><TD align=middle>2</TD><TD align=middle>Romlo</TD><TD align=middle>2</TD><TD align=middle>76</TD><TD align=middle>6</TD><TD align=middle>13.8</TD><TD align=middle>4/1</TD><TD align=middle>12/1</TD><TD align=middle>4</TD><TD align=middle>-</TD><TR><TD align=middle>11</TD><TD align=middle>Two</TD><TD align=middle>2</TD><TD align=middle>79</TD><TD align=middle>8</TD><TD align=middle>10.0</TD><TD align=middle>5/1</TD><TD align=middle>20/1</TD><TD align=middle>5</TD><TD align=middle>X</TD><TR><TD align=middle>4</TD><TD align=middle>LuvYo</TD><TD align=middle>3</TD><TD align=middle>75</TD><TD align=middle>9</TD><TD align=middle>3.0</TD><TD align=middle>20/1</TD><TD align=middle>12/1</TD><TD align=middle>6</TD><TD align=middle>X</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></END>
</END><TABLE>

<TBODY></TBODY>
<TABLE border=2><TBODY><TR><START></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE>Final BL/BL with VDC / hides



<TBODY></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE border=2><TBODY><TR><TH>PN#</TH><TH>Name</TH><TH>Line</TH><TH>SR</TH><TH>Bal</TH><TH>LS</TH><TH>Odds</TH><TH>M/L</TH><TH>V_DC</TH><TH>Hide</TH><TR><TD align=middle>10</TD><TD align=middle>Nice</TD><TD align=middle>5</TD><TD align=middle>83</TD><TD align=middle>3</TD><TD align=middle>21.8</TD><TD align=middle>8-5</TD><TD align=middle>15/1</TD><TD align=middle>1</TD><TD align=middle>-</TD><TR><TD align=middle>1</TD><TD align=middle>Storm</TD><TD align=middle>3</TD><TD align=middle>82</TD><TD align=middle>7</TD><TD align=middle>20.8</TD><TD align=middle>9-5</TD><TD align=middle>15/1</TD><TD align=middle>3</TD><TD align=middle>-</TD><TR><TD align=middle>7</TD><TD align=middle>Last</TD><TD align=middle>3</TD><TD align=middle>82</TD><TD align=middle>6</TD><TD align=middle>18.8</TD><TD align=middle>5/2</TD><TD align=middle>15/1</TD><TD align=middle>2</TD><TD align=middle>-</TD><TR><TD align=middle>8</TD><TD align=middle>Brians</TD><TD align=middle>1</TD><TD align=middle>81</TD><TD align=middle>8</TD><TD align=middle>14.3</TD><TD align=middle>7/2</TD><TD align=middle>6/1</TD><TD align=middle>4</TD><TD align=middle>-</TD><TR><TD align=middle>2</TD><TD align=middle>Romlo</TD><TD align=middle>2</TD><TD align=middle>76</TD><TD align=middle>6</TD><TD align=middle>13.8</TD><TD align=middle>4/1</TD><TD align=middle>12/1</TD><TD align=middle>4</TD><TD align=middle>-</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></END>

shoeless 10-12-2005 06:56 AM

Bill,If I was doing that horse I would throw him out.My figuring is his race 2 back was terrible it was the same distance as line 5 and in line 2 he was dropping class.I wouldnt go back 147 days when his line 2 back was from 62 days back.But I guess that's the reason you have mastered Val and I couldnt you follow directions. Shoeless

Binder 10-12-2005 05:21 PM

Thanks Jeff
 
I was wondering , when you use Val or Spec,Synthesis Pl4
Do you look at the F2
where you can pick your lines that are the original line ?
Not the Adjusted Normalized equalized?

shoeless 10-12-2005 09:21 PM

Bill, Using Synergism it's all manual so Im picking stuff right from the racing form.I basically stick with sprints and try to pick pacelines within the Brohammer approach.In same class I want the horse within 2.5 lenghts at the stretch call .If dropping class I want the horse up close at the 2nd call.But by seeing you in action you really have mastered the Val program.And just in case someone doesnt believe it you really do stick 100% to Doc's rules.Shoeless

socantra 10-14-2005 03:12 PM

Nice call binder. That 5 back is a hard one to get to, but it is the third race back after a two month layoff and its only returning to the kinds of numbers it ran before the layoff.

Add to that the workout a week ago. I don't know if I could have made the leap or not off those last two dismal sprints, but it not only is following Doc's instructions, its sound longshot handicapping by anyone's standards.

Again, Good Call
Dick...


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