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02-14-2017, 11:27 PM | #11 |
AlwNW3X
Join Date: Mar 2006
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Any reason why you left out the first and second place finishers from the contenders?
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02-15-2017, 01:38 PM | #12 |
The egg man
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Carlsbad, California
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I did
Because in this race I was demonstrating how to do a typical sprint race
What pace line would you use for the winner, ? I did include the winner on my pick 4 ticked as a 4th tier " c " Because of the trainer and 3/1 morning line. But to demo the race properly , before the fact , I need a pace line So no line, no results Lastly my key horse was the 2 which was scratched so until I rerun the race I am not sure exactly what the winner and place horse get Bill |
02-15-2017, 11:41 PM | #13 |
AlwNW3X
Join Date: Mar 2006
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pace lines?
Leaving out 2 speed horses including the fastest 1/4 time horse on the page on a fast track?The 1a is hard for me to understand leaving out? I know you didn't realize the 2 was a scratch but the 1a is faster to the quarter and the half on a fast track how can he be left out? By the way I am in no way criticizing your work.Also a side note over the years working with the Sartin stuff and various other pace treatments there is one thing that is overwhelmingly clear to me,THE GAME CANNOT BE BEAT BY MATH.It sure helps but we have all run zillions of races through all our programs and continually leave out the winner or get beat by any number of other factors that trump pace and our little,programs,Connections,new trainer, new owner, lasix, gelded, hot jockey, bad trip, a never ending list of reasons the game cant be beat by math alone.
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02-16-2017, 06:58 AM | #14 |
The egg man
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Carlsbad, California
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Fair
So thank you for answering your own question, this race is an example of the type of race were other factors won, I asked for a pace line . Because this was a demo of how
Howard Sartin him self did races with KGEN To demo the program I need a pace line . When I actually bet this race for my pick 4 I did get the 1A ranked 4th but I used adjusted lines , and RDSS Val 4 .The man who requested the demo is old school and hand enters his pacelines raw, So I did the race , because it just happened to be the race I had last done I could have very easily picked a race that had a ready run and made a nice tidy perfect presentation, but the man who requested the race, in my opinion probably gets more out of learning when races are done before the fact , I have known him since this place started. I have handicapped with him in person many times live racetracks ,I know his skills. I could have also just answered him in a email But I despise doing race work ups Or any Sartin related work in private messages .Ted and I have invested many long hours and funds over the years to keep this place as the premier Sartin, Match Up discussion board, So I'm going to use it, So I have a question for you , Would you have posted this race, before the fact, long before you knew scratches or the track conditions? Would your subject be, Here is a race were math does not win, and then before the fact , ,show the race with Sartin program readout, that show the winner ranked near the bottom , But then say your who your bets were, I appreciate your Match Up skills but there is plenty of Match Up talk in the hat check area, This was just a demo of steps for a specific program Thanks Bill |
02-16-2017, 07:45 AM | #15 |
The egg man
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Rerun
Here is the rerun with the #2 scratched
This time I entered 1 line for each horse BTW here on the RDSS screen we see the 1 ranked 4th on BLBL The actual winner 1A is 6th On RX3 (not shown) they are the same 4th and 6th |
02-16-2017, 07:48 AM | #16 |
The egg man
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same
I will do the same thing
I will keep as contenders any horse in the rop 3 of the 6 line graphs Raw SP Raw EP 1SP |
02-16-2017, 07:50 AM | #17 |
The egg man
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rest
1ep
2sp 2ep |
02-16-2017, 08:01 AM | #18 |
The egg man
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breakdown
Top 3 on the 6 line graphs
the 4 5 6 dominate The 2x 1 and 1A do not show up till the 2 adjust EP I will eliminate the 3 and 7 |
02-16-2017, 08:11 AM | #19 |
The egg man
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6
Taking out the 3 and 7
still leaves me with 6 horses Thoromation works best with 4 or less horses So . I will run the preplay option and take the top 4 finishers on both screens First one to come up is the EP so KGEN thinks the race will run normal If the SP comes up first KGEN variegates the race other than early The top 4 on both screens are the 4 5 6 and solid 1 out go the 1A and the 2X EX SP |
02-16-2017, 08:18 AM | #20 |
The egg man
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Now
Now I have my 4 contenders
4, 5, 6 and 1 First Thoromation 1 adjust This is with the 2 adjust Results The 1A wins Closes, other than early |
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