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Pace Makes the Race / TPR Discussion, Examples, Lessons from Total Pace Ratings (TPR) aka 'Phase I' from the book 'Pace Makes the Race' |
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04-30-2014, 09:06 AM | #1 |
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Calculating TPR
I am working on calculating TPR, and got lost in the math.
Let me start with EPR 2nd call 45.3 the EPR is 92 - 1 1/2 BL = 91 LPR 1:11 time is 71 sec. - SC 45.3 = 25.7 is LRP 81 plus 1 length ahead= LRP (FFP) 82 If Tres Belle was a SP why such a good EPR and low LRP TPR is 174 any help would be great. Thanks Don |
04-30-2014, 10:08 AM | #2 |
The egg man
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Adjustments
Hi Don
I have a couple of questions How are you figuring the the TPR in regards to the track to track and daily track variant ? Second were are you seeing Tres as a SP ? It looks like a presser to me The last line it was 4th but against a much fast POR than its other races were it was closer to the pace |
04-30-2014, 12:52 PM | #3 |
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Hey Bill, Yes sorry he is a presser,
Im talking TPR in regards to the track to track and daily track variant. I am keeping a model from the result charts after the race has run and my other Handicap Profile is before the race was run. That's the info I have before the race. I also keep a betting model I am still trying to find record keeping that works for me. The info Im seeking it for track profile, I thought it would be good to know what the real TPR of the race was. Do you agree? |
05-01-2014, 11:02 AM | #4 |
The egg man
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Records are good
hey Don
All records are helpful, so good for you that you are doing your work. I find that of the 4 readouts of phase 1 I kept track of EP, LP, TPR and the E/L difference, I find the E/L difference to be the most helpful followed by the LP or FFR I don't really track or try to figure the TPRs anymore but I am glad I did at one time. Now that I understand what RDSS is doing with the phase 1 numbers I just go with them. They really only apply as each race match up dictates. Hey Don or anybody Looking at this screen, one of these horse's went wire to wire and paid $17.00 can you spot who it is was it horse A.B.C.D,E or F? GS Bill |
05-01-2014, 04:03 PM | #5 |
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Thanks Bill, how do you record the E/L diff. Do you use the number in the bar?
Wire to wire is C 85.8 and 84.2 Thanks Don |
05-01-2014, 05:14 PM | #6 | |
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I found the best thing for me is to go with the readout from the pace line I used. I think it works better than figuring the Phase 1 from the result chart, Either way has its advantages, Now as for as the wire to wire question, I think you need to look again its was not horse C. If you truely are using phase 1 How can horse C go wire to wire when its pace line puts it 3 to 4 legnths behind almost all the other horses. Please take a close look at what the Phase 1 screen is showing you Ted has done a fantasic job with the structure of this screen. It tells you pretty much the complete Phase 1 method. |
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05-01-2014, 06:21 PM | #7 |
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Hey Bill, I'm glad you did this, because I am truly lost. I thought because the
EP and LP were close together, that would be the answer. I was going to ask you to explain to me, but instead I am going to look it up in the book and see if I can figure it out, tonight. Thanks Question: Because I haven't been around that long and do 'nt know the history of each Sartin Program, I guessing "Phase 1" is the program with TPR. As I'm sure you can tell by my post, I have been reading Pace Makes the Race and out of all the books I've read, that is the best book that seems to work for me the best. I am putting I lot of time into it. It is written very well and would suggest it to anyone to improve there game. Just my two cents. |
05-01-2014, 06:34 PM | #8 |
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Horse F
Early speed horse. ALF |
05-01-2014, 08:15 PM | #9 | |
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Phase 1
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No worries. Its perfectly fine to ask questions and strive to learn. Yes the Sartin Methodology in the very beginning used just 3 readouts or calculations, Early pace and late pace or as it was called final fraction rating or FFR. These two readouts were added together to get a third readout called total pace. What we call Phase 1 and what is the backbone of Pace Makes The Race are early pace ratings plus the 3rd fraction which are adjusted based on the different distances of the 3rd fraction to a deceleration formula which Tom Hambelton and Doc devised. As you get more into Pace makes The Race Doc is talking about how just looking at the total pace rating is not enough.. He advised to look at the difference of the EP and LP ratings in the advance concepts section. The original down and dirty phase 1 charts are in the Red Match Up manual. Its pretty easy to do the raw EPR numbers but the track to track and dtv adjustments and the 3rd fraction adjustments are way to much work. So thank god and Ted for RDSS2 Along with the original book Pace Makes The Race there was a computer program offered called TPR Good reading ahead for you in Pace Makes The Race Bill . |
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05-07-2014, 07:04 PM | #10 |
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Hey Bill, sorry to take so long to get back to this, been working.
I have been reading and can not find the answer, can you help me out. thanks Don |
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