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11-08-2017, 09:09 AM | #11 |
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Bill thanks for posting the FU #81 article. Folks should also watch the Docs 1998 video seminar where he goes to the use of compounded ratings and basically 1 on 1 training. The 3 vids are available here on the site in the video sections
Tim
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11-08-2017, 10:12 AM | #12 |
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Hi Tim
Yes indeed Doc`s 3 part videos are great, and mirror his most recent instructions
/ guidelines . This is how he wanted his clients to use his programs from about 1996 till his passing I have just recently began to watch the videos again, I know them by heart . I must have watched those videos over 50 times , starting with the 3 vcr tapes . and another 10 or so times right from the Sartin library here at Pace and Cap . Good Skill Bill Last edited by Bill V.; 11-08-2017 at 10:14 AM. |
11-08-2017, 07:10 PM | #13 |
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Bill, like you, I have watch these videos numerous times. In fact I purchased them when they were first being sold by the Doc. In fact I wrote to Doc after viewing them He published that letter in the follow up. They completely changed my game. I believe that newcomers and those who are struggling should make every effort to watch them. You will hear directly from the guru and not be confused by conflicting info they may see no matter how well meant those posts are. Each of us form our own opinions differently on the info we hear. These vids are straight forward. The viewer can form their own opinion. The follow up containing my letter and report is #70 page 35.
Tim
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11-08-2017, 08:02 PM | #14 |
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FTL
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11-09-2017, 12:56 PM | #15 |
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Thanks Gentlemen!
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11-09-2017, 03:52 PM | #16 | |
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From your 542 races, almost 50% of the winners came off the last line. From your 542 races, almost 80% of the winners came off of lines 1 or 2. From your 542 races, approximately 20% of the winners came off of line 3. In addition to line 3 generating the fewest winners (by far), it also generated the lowest (by far) average mutual. You used the RDSS program on full automatic, so you did not pick any of these pacelines yourself. On that basis, is there a reason you would want to go past line 2?
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11-09-2017, 07:16 PM | #17 | |
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The last line is being chosen for all horse far more than line 2 and line 3. Since 10/29/17 I have been modeling the pace line for every horse in the race (its nice to have the time and the tools) Since 10/29/17 till the present I have captured 1327 pace lines that RDSS2.1 as auto selected using the Best of last 3 preceptor comparable In 1327 lines Line 1 was selected 630 times Line 2 was selected 339 times Line 3 was selected 298 times Since line 1 and line 2 are out performing line 3 so much in wins and average mutual . I think its showing that in races were the best preceptor at a comparable distance surface is after 2 excused races happens very infrequently I have not changed any of these 1327 pace lines I do look over the lines. I have noticed many times neither line 1 or 2 looks very good, These lines do not fit your guidelines. However RDSS2.1 is selecting either line 1 2 or 3 by a set of parameters. Ted explained them to me this past weekend, My memory unfortunatly is not good these days but his parameters made a lot of sense as he explained them. So I am very confident in the auto paceline tool. Best to you Bill |
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11-09-2017, 07:50 PM | #18 |
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I am astonished with the depth of help written here. If anything, it gives me many options of what to really look for and as starting points. This is just amazing work, and I appreciate every single one of you taking your time to respond.
-Laura
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11-09-2017, 08:46 PM | #19 |
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Example
This horse just won race 5 at Penn National She paid $15.00
RDSS2.1 selected line 3. Line 1 is a win line against Alowance horses but is a nice nearly wire to wire win at 5.5 furlongs from Parx She is a 3 year old filly. Line 3 is a MS win for a 30000 purse and at the same distance and track as today race, Both the preceptor and speed rating are the best of last 3 and the line was only 69 days ago |
11-10-2017, 12:53 AM | #20 | |
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You know I would have used the last line.
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