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Old 01-23-2009, 01:35 PM   #1
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having been educated in an environment where factual validity requireed scientific testing, I applaud BIG TIME the work of Charles Carroll as I re-read, for the fourth time now HANDICAPPING SPEED :A critical look at the science of speed handicapping

His rigorous scientific PROOF, his novel approach, his historically accurate model that includes both the short spurts of the quarter horse on up to the middle routes of the thoroughbred warranted the comment by Dr. Howard Sartin "This is a work for those who read handicapping books for more than just some mechanical process for selecting winners."

A marvelous look at the inside of racing too as I applaud what he has written about the photo finish (my job now for two years) and the fallacy of accurate workouts meaning much other than frequency of exercise.

GREAT BOOK
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Old 01-23-2009, 02:07 PM   #2
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Now you've mentioned two of my favorite books on handicapping, "The New Expert Handicappers" and the Carroll book.

In the latter, just the chapter on variants will raise some eyebrows.

For years I used a spreadsheet that combined elements of both "Pace Makes The Race" and "Handicapping Speed." It worked rather well, but the manual data entry made it rather time consuming to consider multiple pace lines and as I get older, mental fatigue and eye strain play too much of a factor in my success.
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Old 01-23-2009, 03:14 PM   #3
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I have only skimmed the book...what is it he proved in it?
I only saw the stuff about using the world records and the beaten lengths stuff.
He discounts track variants, if I remember correctly?
Got to sit down with that one, as soon as my "snuggie" arrives.
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Old 01-23-2009, 03:22 PM   #4
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I have only skimmed the book...what is it he proved in it?
The uniformity of speed no matter the breed.
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Old 01-23-2009, 04:41 PM   #5
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1)Calibration Handicapping by Jim Lehane

2)Fast and Fit Horses by Bob Heyburn [Doc recommendation]
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Old 01-23-2009, 04:57 PM   #6
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In no particular order

Modern Pace Handicapping - Brohamer

The Dynamics of Incremental Velocity and Energy Exertion - Sartin Methodolgy

Jim Bradshaws Match Up concepts - Hat Check area


Top class handicapping material IMHO
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Old 01-23-2009, 05:07 PM   #7
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If people want the same HUM DRUM approach their brains will never attain the plasticity that makes you a survivor. CHALLENGE what is different, don't regurgitate the commonplace.

Read the great book The Brain that Changes Itself...marvelous work that will, I predict, change the way CVA patients (stroke) will be rehabilitated in the future.

The road to enlightenment is eclectic not repetitive.
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Old 01-23-2009, 05:25 PM   #8
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The Match Up has been going on since before i was born and it will probably still be going on after i'm dead


Phil Bull Matched horses, from this Timeform was born and still chugging along
Beyer Matched horses using speedfigs and still chugging along
Brohamer Matched horses using FPS and it's still chugging along

The name of the game is horse ability v horse ability - always has been and always will be

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Old 01-23-2009, 05:31 PM   #9
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Tim,You really shouldnt pass judgement I doubt if you have read either of them,some very interesting concepts in both.
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Old 01-23-2009, 05:50 PM   #10
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Tim,You really shouldnt pass judgement I doubt if you have read either of them,some very interesting concepts in both.
All of these books are promoting short cuts..

THERE AREN'T any
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