May 1 2010 - Pace and Cap

stormbringer · 05-02-2010, 12:01 PM

many years ago as my father and I were walking in Oaklawn park ,my father saw a buddy of his . It turned out to be Howard Sartin the two of them spent the rest of the day drinking and singing he helped me at Oaklawn and I became a member of the Sartin Methodology.
I ask him how you pick horse forTHE DERBY. Every year I get out this letter. This year I was to lazy to get it out. But thanks to aldar_david I had the last race at Lad. .

SilentRun · 05-02-2010, 09:32 PM

I thought that was a nice post..........Ernie

HUNTLANE · 05-02-2010, 11:15 PM

KC

Nice play!

pj

Ted Craven · 05-03-2010, 10:15 AM

KC,

That was a nice note from Doc!

I had trouble this year using Howard's traditional Derby guidelines. Super Saver certainly qualified off a very close finish 2nd in the G1 Arkansas Derby, and certainly distributes all his energy Late (as do most horses running routes), but using reasonable lines for the main contenders, as you show, and even adding in #1 Looking for Lucky, Super Saver does not rank highly in any Late Energy rankings, or in Hidden energy. Rather he ranks highly Early (F1 and to the 2nd call) and 'looks' like an Early horse (positionally). So how did he run: - 6-6-4-4-2-1

(positions by quarter mile). Given all the other Earlies: Line of David, American Lion, Conveyance, Sidney's Candy - you'd think there'd be a lot of work to do for an early running, early energy distributing horse, and that the race would set up Other Than Early as it typically does - hence my choices of the best Late Energy horses: Looking and Sidney.

If I had looked rather at the better Early Energy horses, I'd have been looking closer at Super and Ice Box...

Is this a one-off situation (which can certainly happen), or are there changing trends?

But congratulations on that LAD race!

Ted

Hence my confusion

stormbringer · 05-03-2010, 12:55 PM

IF I had done THE WORK and got the derby down to six I WOULD MAKE "THE EARL BET"
BET ALL SIX!! You do not know how many derby I have won with that Letter!
I was to lazy to get it out, and lost that race. teach me!! this is the best program for horse racing made.

uncleroughy · 05-03-2010, 07:47 PM

Just followed Doc's guidelines for the derby and Rdss gave me 1, 3 4/20 so I wagercapped for a profitable result.

05-02-2010, 11:15 PM	#3
HUNTLANE AlwNW1X Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: little rock Posts: 4	Congrats KC Nice play! pj

05-03-2010, 10:15 AM	#4
Ted Craven Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Nanaimo, British Columbia, Canada Posts: 8,853	KC, That was a nice note from Doc! I had trouble this year using Howard's traditional Derby guidelines. Super Saver certainly qualified off a very close finish 2nd in the G1 Arkansas Derby, and certainly distributes all his energy Late (as do most horses running routes), but using reasonable lines for the main contenders, as you show, and even adding in #1 Looking for Lucky, Super Saver does not rank highly in any Late Energy rankings, or in Hidden energy. Rather he ranks highly Early (F1 and to the 2nd call) and 'looks' like an Early horse (positionally). So how did he run: - 6-6-4-4-2-1 (positions by quarter mile). Given all the other Earlies: Line of David, American Lion, Conveyance, Sidney's Candy - you'd think there'd be a lot of work to do for an early running, early energy distributing horse, and that the race would set up Other Than Early as it typically does - hence my choices of the best Late Energy horses: Looking and Sidney. If I had looked rather at the better Early Energy horses, I'd have been looking closer at Super and Ice Box... Is this a one-off situation (which can certainly happen), or are there changing trends? But congratulations on that LAD race! Ted Hence my confusion __________________ RDSS - Racing Decision Support System™

05-03-2010, 12:55 PM	#5
stormbringer Grade 1 Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 299	the work IF I had done THE WORK and got the derby down to six I WOULD MAKE "THE EARL BET" BET ALL SIX!! You do not know how many derby I have won with that Letter! I was to lazy to get it out, and lost that race. teach me!! this is the best program for horse racing made.

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05-02-2010, 12:01 PM	#1
stormbringer Grade 1 Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 299	May 1 2010 many years ago as my father and I were walking in Oaklawn park ,my father saw a buddy of his . It turned out to be Howard Sartin the two of them spent the rest of the day drinking and singing he helped me at Oaklawn and I became a member of the Sartin Methodology. I ask him how you pick horse forTHE DERBY. Every year I get out this letter. This year I was to lazy to get it out. But thanks to aldar_david I had the last race at Lad. . Attached Images

05-02-2010, 09:32 PM	#2
SilentRun Grade 1 Aspiree Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 678	I thought that was a nice post..........Ernie

05-03-2010, 07:47 PM	#6
uncleroughy AlwNW3X Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 44	Just followed Doc's guidelines for the derby and Rdss gave me 1, 3 4/20 so I wagercapped for a profitable result.