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Charlie D · 08-25-2008, 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Y

the ENTIRE methodology is dependent upon TWO major factors: the 2nd call and the final fraction. THAT'S it!

Everything hinges on those two things and one just DISMISSES THE REST.
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Doc wouldn't be happy about someone writing this Tim would he???

Bill V. · 08-25-2008, 06:52 PM

I just can not sit back and let this go

For me the two of the most important readouts I use are total energy
and VDC As Ted said both use the first fraction
I really think most of us realize that most horses can run
a first fraction of 22 (if they care to)
but the whole methodology is about what happens to horses
BECAUSE of the energy used in the first, second and third fraction

who are we to ask if Huey Mahl would be ashamed ???

Does he see the winners here,who are students of the Match UP? No .
Or how do you know what he would feel about The winners who do VERY well just following directions ?

That was not a nice thing to say
Lets let each person speak and talk about different opinions
but really that was not a respectful comment

shoeless · 08-25-2008, 07:13 PM

Why are you all so upset just because Tim doesnt think the 1st fraction is important?If that's his opinion so be it,he still shows new ways of looking at things using a Sartin program.Jeff

Charlie D · 08-25-2008, 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shoeless

Why are you all so upset just because Tim doesnt think the 1st fraction is important?If that's his opinion so be it,he still shows new ways of looking at things using a Sartin program.Jeff

I have no problem with Tim putting more emphasis on 2c+Fr3

The problem lies in the statement made

Quote:

the ENTIRE methodology is dependent upon TWO major factors: the 2nd call and the final fraction. THAT'S it!

Everything hinges on those two things and one just DISMISSES THE REST.

It is wrong and anyone that has bothered to read any of the Manuals/Follow Up's know's that

shoeless · 08-25-2008, 07:25 PM

But if that's what Tim believes then it should be respected otherwise you will never get any new ideas around here just the same old stuff getting rehashed.

Charlie D · 08-25-2008, 07:31 PM

Quote:

But if that's what Tim believes then it should be respected otherwise you will never get any new ideas around here just the same old stuff getting rehashed.

And respect should be given to the Doc's Methodology Jeff, which is Fr1+Fr2+Fr3 and not 2c+Fr3

shoeless · 08-25-2008, 08:11 PM

Charlie D
Match Up Apprentice

Charlie,I see where you call yourself a Match Up apprentice.Do you believe in the Fulcrum?If you say yes then you are not truly what you say you are because Hat did not believe in it.If you say no then your following along the same line as Tim on the 1st fraction because Doc believed their was.My point being besides Bill and a few others nobody follows the Methodology 100%.

Charlie D · 08-25-2008, 08:18 PM

Here we go again

Why do people want to use my tags to try and score brownie points

Grow up FFS

I am trying to learn the Match Up, therefore I am a Match Up Apprentice

What is a Fulcrum??Is it part of the Match Up???

Charlie D · 08-25-2008, 08:30 PM

Jeff

You seem to have issues with me, why i do not know, but hey i'll leave forum to you and your childish ways as i'm a bit too old for childrens games

I read and learn from now on

tom · 08-25-2008, 08:46 PM

F1 is also a major ingredient in Percent Median, in fact, it is F1 that improved Percent early.

Perhaps a program could be offered that totally ignores F1 in all calculations.
All you get is second call and third fraction. What would you name such a program? Total Pace - phase II?

08-25-2008, 06:52 PM	#22
Bill V. The egg man Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Carlsbad, California Posts: 10,005	no I just can not sit back and let this go For me the two of the most important readouts I use are total energy and VDC As Ted said both use the first fraction I really think most of us realize that most horses can run a first fraction of 22 (if they care to) but the whole methodology is about what happens to horses BECAUSE of the energy used in the first, second and third fraction who are we to ask if Huey Mahl would be ashamed ??? Does he see the winners here,who are students of the Match UP? No . Or how do you know what he would feel about The winners who do VERY well just following directions ? That was not a nice thing to say Lets let each person speak and talk about different opinions but really that was not a respectful comment

08-25-2008, 08:18 PM	#28
Charlie D Match Up Apprentice Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 2,105	Here we go again Why do people want to use my tags to try and score brownie points Grow up FFS I am trying to learn the Match Up, therefore I am a Match Up Apprentice What is a Fulcrum??Is it part of the Match Up??? __________________ "To me, The Match Up supercedes everything" Last edited by Charlie D; 08-25-2008 at 08:21 PM.

08-25-2008, 08:30 PM	#29
Charlie D Match Up Apprentice Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 2,105	Jeff You seem to have issues with me, why i do not know, but hey i'll leave forum to you and your childish ways as i'm a bit too old for childrens games I read and learn from now on __________________ "To me, The Match Up supercedes everything" Last edited by Charlie D; 08-25-2008 at 08:44 PM.

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08-25-2008, 07:13 PM	#23
shoeless Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,151	Why are you all so upset just because Tim doesnt think the 1st fraction is important?If that's his opinion so be it,he still shows new ways of looking at things using a Sartin program.Jeff

08-25-2008, 07:25 PM	#25
shoeless Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,151	But if that's what Tim believes then it should be respected otherwise you will never get any new ideas around here just the same old stuff getting rehashed.

08-25-2008, 08:11 PM	#27
shoeless Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,151	Charlie D Match Up Apprentice Charlie,I see where you call yourself a Match Up apprentice.Do you believe in the Fulcrum?If you say yes then you are not truly what you say you are because Hat did not believe in it.If you say no then your following along the same line as Tim on the 1st fraction because Doc believed their was.My point being besides Bill and a few others nobody follows the Methodology 100%.

08-25-2008, 08:46 PM	#30
tom Grade 1 Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 644	F1 is also a major ingredient in Percent Median, in fact, it is F1 that improved Percent early. Perhaps a program could be offered that totally ignores F1 in all calculations. All you get is second call and third fraction. What would you name such a program? Total Pace - phase II?