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Old 10-05-2009, 11:35 AM   #1
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Double standard?

We go on and on about the horse being not only fit, but physically sound enough to start a race with pre-race vet inspections, paddock review and post parade evaluations. After the contest, blood and/or urine samples are taken to insure a relativity clean run.

Why aren't the riders subject to the same degree of scrutiny?

Recently on a day when a ride in a big stakes race later in the program beckoned, we had a rider contest the earlier races who could NOT flex his knee. I was not aware of how bad it was until a trainer, upset over the really poor ride this fellow had given his horse was muttering that "if he couldn't ride he should have let me know. I just wasted a start with this fellow."

We watched all his races after that one and this trainer's observations were right on. This rider could not sit down in the saddle, he stood with legs extended all the way back after each ride and was so obviously incompetent on the day (losing miserable on two very short price favorites) that many in the crowd openly booed him.

Came the big race. He was on one of the short priced horses and was close but no cigar. Not surprisingly he booked off all mounts after that race.

There is enough in racing to question without this kind of blatant disregard for the people wagering on what they expect to be competent jockeys.
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Old 10-05-2009, 12:40 PM   #2
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We go on and on about the horse being not only fit, but physically sound enough to start a race with pre-race vet inspections, paddock review and post parade evaluations. After the contest, blood and/or urine samples are taken to insure a relativity clean run.

Why aren't the riders subject to the same degree of scrutiny?

Recently on a day when a ride in a big stakes race later in the program beckoned, we had a rider contest the earlier races who could NOT flex his knee. I was not aware of how bad it was until a trainer, upset over the really poor ride this fellow had given his horse was muttering that "if he couldn't ride he should have let me know. I just wasted a start with this fellow."

We watched all his races after that one and this trainer's observations were right on. This rider could not sit down in the saddle, he stood with legs extended all the way back after each ride and was so obviously incompetent on the day (losing miserable on two very short price favorites) that many in the crowd openly booed him.

Came the big race. He was on one of the short priced horses and was close but no cigar. Not surprisingly he booked off all mounts after that race.

There is enough in racing to question without this kind of blatant disregard for the people wagering on what they expect to be competent jockeys.
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WOW! Talk about a "double standard"!

This is a very interesting post from a guy who also made the following statements and I quote:

"-The HORSE produces what it is capable of producing and NOT another single soul".

-"forget the horsey talk of class structure, the effect of the trainer and rider"

-"The HORSE runs the race."

-"Class is speed and speed is class. All the rest is irrelevant. The HORSE runs the race not the trainer or the condition book."

Why the "double standard?"
Why are YOU concerned with jockeys?
Are you saying jockeys matter?
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Old 10-05-2009, 01:24 PM   #3
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Long time ago I ask TY if he ever considered a lobotomy, he never follow up to my suggestion. He still talk BS as usually.
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Old 10-05-2009, 01:40 PM   #4
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Horses can get stiffed if the rider is completely incompetent like this guy was.
One of his mounts won a sprint IN SPITE OF HIS INCOMPETENCE, but when you don't even move with the horse's action it is like putting a dead weight on the animal's back.

Horses still win races all by themselves but cannot when the rider is working against them.

I just received a response from the racing secretary and there were multiple complaints from both fans and other trainers about the same rider
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Old 10-05-2009, 03:31 PM   #5
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Horses can get stiffed if the rider is completely incompetent like this guy was.
Now horses are being stiffed! Wow! Talk about the average uninformed bettor at any track in the country!
One of his mounts won a sprint IN SPITE OF HIS INCOMPETENCE, but when you don't even move with the horse's action it is like putting a dead weight on the animal's back.
But a horse won a race with this jockey. I guess the jockey was 'ok' in this race! The jockey didn't "STIFF" that one. I didn't think a jockey's competence mattered! I thought it was just the horses' ability!
Horses still win races all by themselves but cannot when the rider is working against them.
But you said this jockey DID win a race! So the jockey only "stiffed" the ones he lost with, is that the idea? You also said all the "horsey stuff", class trainers, jockey's didn't matter!
I just received a response from the racing secretary and there were multiple complaints from both fans and other trainers about the same rider. What do you care, the jockey doesn't matter, does it?
YOU have to make up your mind. "Horsey stuff" either matters or it doesn't, ALL THE TIME, not just when YOU want it to!
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Old 10-05-2009, 03:35 PM   #6
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YOU have to make up your mind. "Horsey stuff" either matters or it doesn't, ALL THE TIME, not just when YOU want it to!
Never matters as the logical bettor factors that in in exotics to counteract the unknowns that might or might not be there.
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Never matters as the logical bettor factors that in in exotics to counteract the unknowns that might or might not be there.
Nice try. And if the dog hadn't stopped to s--t, he would have caught the rabbit.

And you asked someone else today if their post was in English?
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Nice try. And if the dog hadn't stopped to s--t, he would have caught the rabbit.

And you asked someone else today if their post was in English?
Wagering is not handicapping and handicapping is not wagering. never have been
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I bet on a horse once that happened to be ridden by a jockey I knew.
The race goes off, the horse gets a 2 lenght lead in deep stretch and looks like a sure winner. Suddenly the jockey eases up on the horse a couple jumps before the wire and looses by a lenght.
I happen to see this jockey later that evening at a local pub and asked him "what happened?" He says "I blew my teeth". I said "HUH?"
He says "My dentures fell out of my mouth and onto the track during the stretch drive and I needed to look around so I knew where to find them before the next race went off ".
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Wagering is not handicapping and handicapping is not wagering. never have been
Which, without shifting away from the focus of the discussion, has to do with what? In order to refresh your recollection:

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We go on and on about the horse being not only fit, but physically sound enough to start a race with pre-race vet inspections, paddock review and post parade evaluations. After the contest, blood and/or urine samples are taken to insure a relativity clean run.

Why aren't the riders subject to the same degree of scrutiny?

Recently on a day when a ride in a big stakes race later in the program beckoned, we had a rider contest the earlier races who could NOT flex his knee. I was not aware of how bad it was until a trainer, upset over the really poor ride this fellow had given his horse was muttering that "if he couldn't ride he should have let me know. I just wasted a start with this fellow."

We watched all his races after that one and this trainer's observations were right on. This rider could not sit down in the saddle, he stood with legs extended all the way back after each ride and was so obviously incompetent on the day (losing miserable on two very short price favorites) that many in the crowd openly booed him.

Came the big race. He was on one of the short priced horses and was close but no cigar. Not surprisingly he booked off all mounts after that race.

There is enough in racing to question without this kind of blatant disregard for the people wagering on what they expect to be competent jockeys.
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WOW! Talk about a "double standard"!

This is a very interesting post from a guy who also made the following statements and I quote:

"-The HORSE produces what it is capable of producing and NOT another single soul".

-"forget the horsey talk of class structure, the effect of the
trainer and rider"

-"The HORSE runs the race."

-"Class is speed and speed is class. All the rest is irrelevant. The HORSE runs the race not the trainer or the condition book."

Why the "double standard?"
Why are YOU concerned with jockeys?
Are you saying jockeys matter?


Try to stay on topic and address the issue.
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