Be carefull of what you say on DRF site - Page 2 - Pace and Cap

Hoof 11 · 05-25-2012, 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trotman

Hoof 11 congrats to you, 3 weeks and your off and running. That is some kind of sample size. I have no bones to pick with RDSS because it is a methodology that has stood the test of time. You only play Woodbine and now I see where your coming from, 3 weeks, 1 track I can't see this ending up well, and it won't be RDSS because it is the proven entity

Again, i disagree. I have learned the hard way that you can't trust old running lines, and for the most part i use my own angles early in the season. I have spent my time observing the outcome of RDSS and New Pace and it has been spotty early on, as expected. But i must say i was pleasantly surprised at the outcome of both systems and it didn't take me long to have enough confidence to start laying down money. The more time that passes i am finding both systems are having better results, i fully expected this with the addition of recent running lines. I still use my own handicapping methods in conjunction with the two systems and at times i disagree with their results, sometimes i am right, sometimes i am wrong. But to say it won't end up well for me is a load, you say it won't be RDSS that will be my undoing, it will be New Pace, if you actually had any experience with the two systems you would know more often than not they come up with similar results. In the end it will be my own decisions that will sink me, not RDSS or New Pace. I am not the kind of person that strokes Ted's or Dave's ego, i do my homework and if i find the system holds value than i will share my thoughts, if i find the system sucks i toss it and move on, without leaving cynical thoughts on the internet.

Dave.... i will be in contact with you for the upgrade.

Have a great long weekend guys

shoeless · 05-26-2012, 12:20 AM

Honestly dont see any connection at all with Sartin Methodology and New Pace,actually the Phase 1 numbers can be used in the same manner.

Dave Schwartz · 05-26-2012, 01:47 AM

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Phase 1 numbers can be used in the same manner.

No, they can't.

Phase 1 "numbers" are about velocity. NewPace is about "running style." The two are completely different.

You can certainly try it that way, but it will not work.

Bill V. · 05-26-2012, 04:52 AM

Phase 1 is an important tool and a cornerstone of the Sartin Methodology
Phase 1 involves naming running styles, making adjustments to the raw
early pace and final fraction ratings to arrive at a total pace rating.
Its also mentioned that a first fraction pace rating could also be calculated but was not advisable for some to explore.All of Phase 1 is fed but a proper use of pace line selection. The last race is the race. You don't have to use the last race, but the last -most recent paceline must be calculated for every horse jn the race
A track profile and model are to be created and both early and late
parameters are soon apperant as to what is needed at specific tracks
The Phase 1 profile also is a aid in track specific adjustments.
Phase 1 is not about the total pace rating alone. Properly using Phase 1
demands a balance of the top 3 early and late pace ratings. In the original
Pace Makes The Race Doc gets into a deceration forumla based on the relation to the EPR and FFR rating.

Good for you shoeless I agree that Phase 1 is comparable

Bill

trotman · 05-26-2012, 07:26 AM

Shoeless and Bill V I am in total agreement with you on Phase 1

shoeless · 05-26-2012, 08:12 AM

Bill and Trotman thanks at least two of you agree.

Bill nice anaylsis of Phase 1 numbers

BladeRunner · 05-26-2012, 09:12 AM

First I wanted to thanks Ted for putting "New Pace" in RDSS...and secondly my question is to the others who don't like New Pace..."NOBODY PUT A GUN TO YOUR HEAD TO USE NEW PACE...YOU DON"T LIKE..DON"T USE IT!!"
Some of you have Lot's of time on your hand after a losing day and you go around knocking others people's work. I lose too but I don't do that. Get a life!
First-of-all the poster does not even use RDSS nor New Pace...am I suppose to use him opinion or listen to what he has to say?!...you make me laugh.

shoeless · 05-26-2012, 10:02 AM

If your referring to my post I didnt say New Pace was good or bad just dont
think it has anything to do with The Sartin Methodology.If it works for you that's great.

Bill V. · 05-26-2012, 10:14 AM

Hello Bladerunner

Please address your displeasure with the people who you are addressing
in a private email.

Thanks
Bill

BladeRunner · 05-26-2012, 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shoeless

If your referring to my post I didnt say New Pace was good or bad just dont
think it has anything to do with The Sartin Methodology.If it works for you that's great.

NOo it's not you! It's for the person who started this thread.

05-26-2012, 04:52 AM	#14
Bill V. The egg man Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Carlsbad, California Posts: 10,005	Phase 1 Phase 1 is an important tool and a cornerstone of the Sartin Methodology Phase 1 involves naming running styles, making adjustments to the raw early pace and final fraction ratings to arrive at a total pace rating. Its also mentioned that a first fraction pace rating could also be calculated but was not advisable for some to explore.All of Phase 1 is fed but a proper use of pace line selection. The last race is the race. You don't have to use the last race, but the last -most recent paceline must be calculated for every horse jn the race A track profile and model are to be created and both early and late parameters are soon apperant as to what is needed at specific tracks The Phase 1 profile also is a aid in track specific adjustments. Phase 1 is not about the total pace rating alone. Properly using Phase 1 demands a balance of the top 3 early and late pace ratings. In the original Pace Makes The Race Doc gets into a deceration forumla based on the relation to the EPR and FFR rating. Good for you shoeless I agree that Phase 1 is comparable Bill Last edited by Bill V.; 05-26-2012 at 04:58 AM.

05-26-2012, 07:26 AM	#15
trotman Grade 1 Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 259	Shoeless and Bill V I am in total agreement with you on Phase 1 __________________ "Success consists of simply getting back up one more time than you fall"

05-26-2012, 10:14 AM	#19
Bill V. The egg man Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Carlsbad, California Posts: 10,005	would you Hello Bladerunner Please address your displeasure with the people who you are addressing in a private email. Thanks Bill

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05-26-2012, 12:20 AM	#12
shoeless Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,151	Honestly dont see any connection at all with Sartin Methodology and New Pace,actually the Phase 1 numbers can be used in the same manner.

05-26-2012, 08:12 AM	#16
shoeless Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,151	Bill and Trotman thanks at least two of you agree. Bill nice anaylsis of Phase 1 numbers

05-26-2012, 09:12 AM	#17
BladeRunner Grade 3 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 65	First I wanted to thanks Ted for putting "New Pace" in RDSS...and secondly my question is to the others who don't like New Pace..."NOBODY PUT A GUN TO YOUR HEAD TO USE NEW PACE...YOU DON"T LIKE..DON"T USE IT!!" Some of you have Lot's of time on your hand after a losing day and you go around knocking others people's work. I lose too but I don't do that. Get a life! First-of-all the poster does not even use RDSS nor New Pace...am I suppose to use him opinion or listen to what he has to say?!...you make me laugh.

05-26-2012, 10:02 AM	#18
shoeless Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,151	If your referring to my post I didnt say New Pace was good or bad just dont think it has anything to do with The Sartin Methodology.If it works for you that's great.