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10-07-2009, 06:15 AM | #31 | |
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10-07-2009, 06:36 AM | #32 |
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I will deal with this tonight ....
To get back onto the subject of the thread Do jockeys matter ? Like Howard often said racing is a stocastic event. People feel good and bad and nobody knows who does or doesn't. I have better days than some at my job, yesterday was not a good day. I made a costly mistake at work I could have been fired. I did not get fired. I think my overall body of work over the years saved me Isn't horse racing these mens jobs? Can the best mess up? yes but we can't let slip ups effect our overall ability to do the task of selecting profitable winners Bill Last edited by Bill V.; 10-07-2009 at 06:38 AM. |
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10-07-2009, 08:53 AM | #34 |
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Jockeys do not make horses run faster, but they do allow them to run their best. They get a rhythm with the horse that relaxes them they keep out of traffic, they steer to the best part of the track. They have the horse in place to capitalize on the pace scenario. That is how I use the jockey factor. Good, proven riders break ties.
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10-07-2009, 09:53 AM | #36 |
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OMG, I love your posts. Honestly, I can only dream of possessing all of the past data and information that you have accumulated through literally an incredible amount of work and it goes without saying at a substantial cost to yourself as well. I am thrilled when you put up facts that you have found to be significant through literally hundreds of thousands if not millions of races. I find them significant in every respect because they are indeed "Fact"! What is there to argue about when you are presented with "Facts"? I find most of the folks in general on this site to have one truly essential aspect to their personalities and that is to have a bit of "Humility". My gosh what ever happened to having a little bit of that? When I read the posts presented by one person in particular, I am at a loss as to where it (any sense of humility) has gone off to. All the BEST! Vinnie
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10-07-2009, 11:03 AM | #37 | |
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Shotgun wagering was an epiphany spurned on by a good friend at Fort Erie, who, like myslef, got tired of being correct (horse runs well) and not getting paid for figuring that out, so, iwht his help, he turned me on to exotics only and showed me a year end total of how he did with this maneuver. Works great and the bottom line has been exceptional. One misses a lot, but if you are careful where you put your choices, the long term ROI is better than I ever did trying just to nail the winner.
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Majestic Prince, winner of the Derby and Preakness, had a bowed tendon going into the Belmont Stakes. His trainer, the great Hall of Fame rider and extremely capable trainer, Johnny Longdon, did NOT want to run in the Belmont, Triple Crown glory nothwithstanding, because of the severity of Majestic Prince's injury. He begged the owner, Frank McMahon, not to risk permanent damage. Majestic Prince's problems were known and an ongoing concern, but Longdon felt he simply couldn't run his best in the Belmont and was proven right (the winner was a very legit champion and a sharp horse going into the race). As everyone knows, McMahon did run Majestic Prince despite the bowed tendon and Longdon's protest. He was retired immediately following the race and Longdon resigned as McMahon's trainer the very next day. This explains, in part, the real reason why the jockey, Hall of Famer Bill Hartack, may not have 'let his undefeated front-runner go for the lead in a mind-boggling ...' as you wrote. |
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10-08-2009, 12:05 PM | #39 | |
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They do not have to be mutually exclusive. I certainly do both. Contests provide a different challenge and can be quite rewarding monetarily as well. As an aside, I think Tim provides a unique perspective to racing and I enjoy his racing-related posts, although I certainly do not agree with all of them. He at least makes me think, and that is a good thing. The personal stuff on all sides should not be tolerated. Of course, I am not a moderator or several would have been kicked off and NEVER allowed back. The rules should be clear, a couple of warnings given, and then a lifetime ban of any hard headed individual that chooses to continue showing their a$$ here. This board should be about Horse Racing, Handicapping, and Sartin-Related information, ideas. The other stuff should not be tolerated at all. But, it's not my board. Hopefully, everyone will turn the testosterone level down a few notches. Jim |
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