+ 0 (+) - Pace and Cap

Bill V. · 10-20-2011, 09:09 PM

Here are really good simple guidelines from the yellow manual

Really does not take long to do these for each horse As long as your consistant this is a "plus"

I have been using this.
It has only helped

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dlivery · 10-20-2011, 09:28 PM

Hi: Bill

I am very impressed with this selection process and works for my line selection.

We can use this as reminder to help us all determine the needed support of line selection.

Thank-You

Lawrence

dlivery

shoeless · 10-21-2011, 06:22 AM

Bill,

Nice job posting that and a good way to notice form cycles.

For The Lead · 10-21-2011, 12:37 PM

There is a lot I can say about this, but I'll try to make it as brief as possible.

IF a horse's PP's are all at the same track and each race is at the same approximate class level, distance and surface, then yes, you may be able to use this approach as a "form cycle" tool.

However, if the horse is moving up and down the class ladder, shifting from one distance to another, moving from one surface to another and moving from one track to another, then I would say the "form cycle" aspect is right out the window. All the switching around of class levels, surfaces, distances and tracks will hardly show you the correct form cycle. You are asking the horse to show you a form cycle when it is not being given the opportunity to show it to you.

The good news is, by marking each race with a +, 0 or 0+ (plus in a zero) and then paying attention to the class levels, surfaces and distances of those races, you may learn a lot more. Perhaps you will find a certain class level where the +'s, or 0+'s occur, or maybe certain distances or surfaces where they occur. Likewise, perhaps you will identify where they DON'T occur.

Actually, this procedure of marking races with a +, 0 or 0+ is a multi-tool to be used for identification of several things. Make "total" use of it.

Remember, when you was your clothes, the washing machine goes through "cycles". It fills, washes, drains, fills, rinses, drains and spins.
HORSES ARE NOT MACHINES!!

Bill V. · 10-21-2011, 01:12 PM

Hi FTL

Quote:

The good news is, by marking each race with a +, 0 or 0+ (plus in a zero) and then paying attention to the class levels, surfaces and distances of those races, you may learn a lot more. Perhaps you will find a certain class level where the +'s, or 0+'s occur, or maybe certain distances or surfaces where they occur. Likewise, perhaps you will identify where they DON'T occur.

To me this is the key.

"Appropriate Pace Line selection is essential to success in utilizing the Dynamics
of Incremental Velocity. I say appropriate rather than right or wrong because they
are morality terms.
Appropriate means a line that represents a contender's true ability and running
style when IN FORM. It should be a line where it ran competitively against the kind
of horses it will face today."

GS
Bill

shoeless · 10-21-2011, 05:38 PM

Doc was lucky to have such a devoted student as Bill that would keep the original methodology alive and to Ted as well for making improvements to the software.

For The Lead · 10-21-2011, 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill V.

Hi FTL

To me this is the key.

"Appropriate Pace Line selection is essential to success in utilizing the Dynamics
of Incremental Velocity. I say appropriate rather than right or wrong because they
are morality terms.
Appropriate means a line that represents a contender's true ability and running
style when IN FORM. It should be a line where it ran competitively against the kind
of horses it will face today."

GS
Bill

You're right.
And if the horse's most recent lines have all "0" (zero's) next to them, I don't think it is a good idea to go further back to some old line. What would be the basis? If the horse has all recent "0" lines, that would certainly indicate it is not is form. Or possibly, has been racing over its' head. Either way, you have no indication as to what the horse's current state of form is.

reckless · 10-21-2011, 07:32 PM

The best thing about doing +s zero's and (+) is that this exercise forces the handicapper to look at the horse's pp's in its entirety.

Too often in the technology driven environment we depend on, we often times gloss over the pp's, instead of giving a real serious look at the horse's history. The easiness of a single click comes at a price.

In the early days of The Methodology, a few teachers said: 'The real work of the Sartin Methodology begins before turning on the computer'.

A very good lesson, for sure.

I have also discovered that when I do the x's and o's and I encounter a horse with all +'s --from the bottom up-- but the immediate last race is an zero, that is a very compelling situation. I often eliminate the horse under most circumstances. This is a powerful signal of a horse going off form.

10-20-2011, 09:09 PM	#1
Bill V. The egg man Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Carlsbad, California Posts: 10,005	+ 0 (+) Here are really good simple guidelines from the yellow manual Really does not take long to do these for each horse As long as your consistant this is a "plus" I have been using this. It has only helped

10-20-2011, 09:28 PM	#2
dlivery Grade 1 Join Date: May 2009 Location: Thornhill ON Posts: 437	Excellant just what we needed... Hi: Bill I am very impressed with this selection process and works for my line selection. We can use this as reminder to help us all determine the needed support of line selection. Thank-You Lawrence dlivery __________________ May all wagers be Winners...

10-21-2011, 12:37 PM	#4
For The Lead Grade 1 Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 1,292	The "other" benefits There is a lot I can say about this, but I'll try to make it as brief as possible. IF a horse's PP's are all at the same track and each race is at the same approximate class level, distance and surface, then yes, you may be able to use this approach as a "form cycle" tool. However, if the horse is moving up and down the class ladder, shifting from one distance to another, moving from one surface to another and moving from one track to another, then I would say the "form cycle" aspect is right out the window. All the switching around of class levels, surfaces, distances and tracks will hardly show you the correct form cycle. You are asking the horse to show you a form cycle when it is not being given the opportunity to show it to you. The good news is, by marking each race with a +, 0 or 0+ (plus in a zero) and then paying attention to the class levels, surfaces and distances of those races, you may learn a lot more. Perhaps you will find a certain class level where the +'s, or 0+'s occur, or maybe certain distances or surfaces where they occur. Likewise, perhaps you will identify where they DON'T occur. Actually, this procedure of marking races with a +, 0 or 0+ is a multi-tool to be used for identification of several things. Make "total" use of it. Remember, when you was your clothes, the washing machine goes through "cycles". It fills, washes, drains, fills, rinses, drains and spins. HORSES ARE NOT MACHINES!! __________________ "It's suppose to be hard. If it was easy, everybody would do it." Jimmy Dugan, A League of Their Own

10-21-2011, 06:22 AM	#3
shoeless Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,151	Bill, Nice job posting that and a good way to notice form cycles.

10-21-2011, 05:38 PM	#6
shoeless Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,151	Doc was lucky to have such a devoted student as Bill that would keep the original methodology alive and to Ted as well for making improvements to the software.

10-21-2011, 07:32 PM	#8
reckless Grade 1 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: near Philadelphia Park Posts: 259	The best thing about doing +s zero's and (+) is that this exercise forces the handicapper to look at the horse's pp's in its entirety. Too often in the technology driven environment we depend on, we often times gloss over the pp's, instead of giving a real serious look at the horse's history. The easiness of a single click comes at a price. In the early days of The Methodology, a few teachers said: 'The real work of the Sartin Methodology begins before turning on the computer'. A very good lesson, for sure. I have also discovered that when I do the x's and o's and I encounter a horse with all +'s --from the bottom up-- but the immediate last race is an zero, that is a very compelling situation. I often eliminate the horse under most circumstances. This is a powerful signal of a horse going off form.