Pro-Ride @ Santa Anita - Pace and Cap

RichieP · 09-20-2008, 08:14 AM

This from Dan G (the most complete player I know)over at Htr. Thanks Dan

lsosa54 · 09-20-2008, 09:11 AM

Thanks Rich and to Dan as well. Dan was very helpful in providing some "last 365 day" best times and specifically for a couple of tracks I had asked him about. We'll get a feel next week for how the track is going to play. If it plays to the sustained side like Del mar, there's money to be made for sure.

Other than the Skylight Training Center in KY and tracks in Australia (I think Newcastle in England may be testing it), I don't think the "pro ride" surface is anywhere else in the U.S. Anyone know?

lsosa54 · 09-23-2008, 12:34 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/hor...HORSEHeadlines

Tim Y · 09-23-2008, 12:42 PM

You cannot extrapolate race times from workouts: Exercise riders with specific training methods and weighing upwards of 160 usually not pushing horses especially over a new and suspect surface will never reflect racing times...NEVER.

According to an article about artificial courses (reviewed the new Great Leighs course in England in Racing Post I read when I was there) these courses take about a year to "bed in" as he phrased it. They are horribly SLOW until they mature to a daily consistency.

That track, like we saw with Keeneland, Arlington and Del Mar is going to be slow and heavy until it matures.
Secondly, and we saw this at these courses as well. it will take time for the track crew to get conditioning day to day, down pat.

http://www.greatleighs.com/

http://www.prorideracing.com/overview.html

Tim Y · 09-23-2008, 01:04 PM

from the Pro-ride web site.

tom · 09-24-2008, 10:32 PM

But you can compare workout times to workout times and get a general idea of how the track has changed. Theses are much slower than what we used to see at SA.

Turbulator · 09-24-2008, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by tom

But you can compare workout times to workout times and get a general idea of how the track has changed. Theses are much slower than what we used to see at SA.

Good point.

Charlie D · 10-03-2008, 08:11 PM

More info aded to HTR thread

http://www.homebased2.com/forums/sho...6107#post76107

09-20-2008, 08:14 AM	#1
RichieP Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 7,014	Pro-Ride @ Santa Anita This from Dan G (the most complete player I know)over at Htr. Thanks Dan Attached Images __________________ "Grampy I'm talking to you!"

09-23-2008, 12:34 PM	#3
lsosa54 Grade 1 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: NYC and San Diego Posts: 627	ESPN Article http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/hor...HORSEHeadlines

09-23-2008, 12:42 PM	#4
Tim Y turf historian Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 6,455	Several things You cannot extrapolate race times from workouts: Exercise riders with specific training methods and weighing upwards of 160 usually not pushing horses especially over a new and suspect surface will never reflect racing times...NEVER. According to an article about artificial courses (reviewed the new Great Leighs course in England in Racing Post I read when I was there) these courses take about a year to "bed in" as he phrased it. They are horribly SLOW until they mature to a daily consistency. That track, like we saw with Keeneland, Arlington and Del Mar is going to be slow and heavy until it matures. Secondly, and we saw this at these courses as well. it will take time for the track crew to get conditioning day to day, down pat. http://www.greatleighs.com/ http://www.prorideracing.com/overview.html Last edited by Tim Y; 09-23-2008 at 12:51 PM.

09-23-2008, 01:04 PM	#5
Tim Y turf historian Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 6,455	overview from the Pro-ride web site. Attached Images

10-03-2008, 08:11 PM	#8
Charlie D Match Up Apprentice Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 2,105	More info aded to HTR thread http://www.homebased2.com/forums/sho...6107#post76107 __________________ "To me, The Match Up supercedes everything"

09-20-2008, 09:11 AM	#2
lsosa54 Grade 1 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: NYC and San Diego Posts: 627	Thanks Rich and to Dan as well. Dan was very helpful in providing some "last 365 day" best times and specifically for a couple of tracks I had asked him about. We'll get a feel next week for how the track is going to play. If it plays to the sustained side like Del mar, there's money to be made for sure. Other than the Skylight Training Center in KY and tracks in Australia (I think Newcastle in England may be testing it), I don't think the "pro ride" surface is anywhere else in the U.S. Anyone know?

09-24-2008, 10:32 PM	#6
tom Grade 1 Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 644	But you can compare workout times to workout times and get a general idea of how the track has changed. Theses are much slower than what we used to see at SA.