Entries Post Position - Pace and Cap

DaveEdwards · 02-14-2022, 09:33 AM

Hello all,

When there is an entry in a race it would appear that different tracks give them different post positions.
Is there anywhere that I can find out how each track decides which post position to give to the horses when there is an entry?
This isn't for any kind of post position analysis, but I am very interested in how the horses run in proximity to those around them.

Thank you.

DanBoals · 02-15-2022, 08:49 PM

I am not 100% certain what you are asking, but if I understand, then I think the following is the answer.

https://bettinggods.com/faqs/how-is-...-horse-racing/

DaveEdwards · 02-16-2022, 05:54 PM

Thanks for the reply Dan.

That wasn't quite what I was looking for. I'll demonstrate with the emoji numbers what I mean

2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10

2 3 4 5 6

7 8

9 10

Sometimes when there is an entry the 1 and 1a are on the inside, as in the 1st example. At other tracks they might appear similar to example 2.

What I am trying to find out is where can I find the information about how different tracks or racing juristictions decide on how the horse numbers are allocated to which stall.

Thanks.

Ted Craven · 02-16-2022, 08:14 PM

Interesting question Dave! I have always observed this too and, except for Stakes races where post positions are drawn by lottery, have never understood why.

What is your reason for asking?

Ted

Lt1 · 02-16-2022, 09:48 PM

I do believe they draw pills to assign the post positions for each entry in the race thus an entry can be located in any pp.
Tim

DaveEdwards · 02-17-2022, 07:06 AM

Thanks Ted and Tim for your replies.

The reasoning behind this is exploring the Match-Up of horses in close proximity to each other. It may be a subtle effect in the US, but it will be there.
The extreme example of this would be a 30 runner sprint race, on a straight turf course, that regularly take place in the UK over the summer. The field usually splits into two or sometimes three groups and end up being little races of their own.

As you would then expect the pace is then set by the lead horse of each group with the horses behind then running at the pace set for them. Whilst USA racing doesn't have anything like this scenario it did get me thinking.

02-14-2022, 09:33 AM	#1
DaveEdwards Grade 1 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: England Posts: 489	Entries Post Position Hello all, When there is an entry in a race it would appear that different tracks give them different post positions. Is there anywhere that I can find out how each track decides which post position to give to the horses when there is an entry? This isn't for any kind of post position analysis, but I am very interested in how the horses run in proximity to those around them. Thank you.

02-16-2022, 08:14 PM	#4
Ted Craven Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Nanaimo, British Columbia, Canada Posts: 8,854	Interesting question Dave! I have always observed this too and, except for Stakes races where post positions are drawn by lottery, have never understood why. What is your reason for asking? Ted __________________ RDSS - Racing Decision Support System™

02-16-2022, 09:48 PM	#5
Lt1 Grade 1 Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Valley Stream NY Posts: 9,163	I do believe they draw pills to assign the post positions for each entry in the race thus an entry can be located in any pp. Tim __________________ Trust but verify

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02-15-2022, 08:49 PM	#2
DanBoals Grade 1 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 307	I am not 100% certain what you are asking, but if I understand, then I think the following is the answer. https://bettinggods.com/faqs/how-is-...-horse-racing/

02-16-2022, 05:54 PM	#3
DaveEdwards Grade 1 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: England Posts: 489	Thanks for the reply Dan. That wasn't quite what I was looking for. I'll demonstrate with the emoji numbers what I mean 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Sometimes when there is an entry the 1 and 1a are on the inside, as in the 1st example. At other tracks they might appear similar to example 2. What I am trying to find out is where can I find the information about how different tracks or racing juristictions decide on how the horse numbers are allocated to which stall. Thanks.

02-17-2022, 07:06 AM	#6
DaveEdwards Grade 1 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: England Posts: 489	Thanks Ted and Tim for your replies. The reasoning behind this is exploring the Match-Up of horses in close proximity to each other. It may be a subtle effect in the US, but it will be there. The extreme example of this would be a 30 runner sprint race, on a straight turf course, that regularly take place in the UK over the summer. The field usually splits into two or sometimes three groups and end up being little races of their own. As you would then expect the pace is then set by the lead horse of each group with the horses behind then running at the pace set for them. Whilst USA racing doesn't have anything like this scenario it did get me thinking.