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Old 07-28-2010, 04:07 PM   #1
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MatchUP intuition is "Primary", MatchUP mathematics is "Corollary"/Secondary

Hey, dudes, let's get back to some hardcore "HAT" style MatchUP.

We either know who is going to win the race, even if we are wrong, or we pass and continue to practice and do homework in "Hat Check".

Let's drop all these "other" factors and unsure things that are not part of The MatchUp.

We have The Mind's Eye, FPLR, 1st Call projection as the main meat along with other subsidiary factors like in Richie's 8 month update and other MatchUp mathematics to compare horses to each other.

Thanks to Pete , this review.....

http://paceandcap.com/forums/showpos...5&postcount=11

.....got me to thinking.

To me, seems like The Mind's Eye exercises always bring you back when you get too far off course doing too many things, different directions.

It simplify's things, quiet things in your head, we have so much Match Up information.

The Minds Eye is absolute brilliance of a master teacher, THE HAT. Within it, it is like an Automated Software teaching device FOR THE BRAIN that teaches and makes you see things according to your own , personal mind sight, it teaches The MatchUP according to what you can see.

So drop the class, money earned, trainers, barns, dosage, # starts, jockey, post position, beyer numbers, mud shoes, one computer rating, speed ratings, and other stuff that confuses us and have us in a zillion possible directions and possibilities...that "stuff" has been addressed in The MatchUp 2 book under "bias".

Remember what THE HAT says about horse racing and what Richie continually drives into us:

"EARLY" OR "OTHER THAN EARLY" ?

"The race starts when the gate pops Richie"--Jim "THE HAT" Bradshaw


But here is the kicker...

When reviewing The Mind's Eye threads, again, seeing something I thought already digested.

THE HAT drove into Richie what Richie always tries to remind us of, intuition.

There's deeper stuff in that Mind's Eye , folks.

For instance, look at #6, Kim's Gold :

http://paceandcap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3976


STUDY THIS RACE , FOLKS AND LOOK AT THAT HORSE.

This is NOT a special voodoo situation.

This race is an example of several things that is and will be universal in all races using THE MATCH UP:

1) #6 Kim's Gold has NO POWERLINE to todays projected 1st call

2) #6 Kim's Gold has NO PACELINE to todays projected 1st call and 2nd call (sorry computer users)

3) #6 Kim's Gold has NO LINE for MatchUp horse vs horse, this horse would be ELIMINATED ( you know the method, starting with the the 1st horse in race, matching him with the 2nd horse, eliminating the loser , then going to the 3rd horse, etc.,)


This race is a prime example of why THE HAT said he could not use software.

This race is a prime example of why THE HAT said he does not pick pacelines.

This horse only has "position" to 1st call projection and "powermove" from THAT position or further.

This demonstrates that powerlines and powermoves and other factors are secondary to the primary, which is "INTUITION" ,Early or Other Than Early?

Once we KNOW how the race is going to run , we FIND and GET that horse, EVEN IF WE ARE WRONG.

I initially thought this "voodoo" race was a special circumstance of THE MATCHUP.

It is not.

Where does a horse like to be or is more likely to be TODAY at TODAYS 1st call projected pace?

Like Doc Sartins software, one of its primary purposes, THE MINDS EYE/The MatchUp, is to teach how to handicap

2) Teach you where your winners, according to your handicapping, is coming from

3) Have back up corollaries to support what you choose to give more confidence in your decision and/or show weaknesses in your handicapping and where one needs improvement.

The back-up corollaries for the MatchUp are the 8 month update, The examples in the Match UP 2 book, the math of moving a horse up in position and/or lengths to a projected slower fractions, powermoves, powerlines,etc.,.

The Mind's Eye will bring you back home and gives one the opportunity and chance to quiet the overload of information in the mind and confusion.

The MatchUp is not if's, and's , what if's and but's...,

"Early" or "Other Than Early"

Good job, PeteC.

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Old 07-28-2010, 04:15 PM   #2
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Another Example-more advanced

I think this is more of an advanced race that needs study.


http://paceandcap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1283



Probably get killed using The Mind's Eye on this one , but maybe not.

The principles still applies, its just knowing WHEN to apply them.

Early or Other Than Early ?

Since the other horses are too far back to make an impact or effect IN THIS RACE, my personal opinion is that there is a deeper Minds Eye sub-lesson in this race.

Mind's Eye projection of a horse with Multiple Running Styles......?

Mind's Eye of paceless races....?

Lets get to it, true MatchUp students.

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Old 07-28-2010, 04:26 PM   #3
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Like Doc Sartins software, one of its primary purposes, THE MINDS EYE/The MatchUp, is to teach how to handicap

2) Teach you where your winners, according to your handicapping, is coming from

3) Have back up corollaries to support what you choose to give more confidence in your decision and/or show weaknesses in your handicapping and where one needs improvement.

The back-up corollaries for the MatchUp are the 8 month update, The examples in the Match UP 2 book, the math of moving a horse up in position and/or lengths to a projected slower fractions, powermoves, powerlines,etc.,.

The Mind's Eye will bring you back home and gives one the opportunity and chance to quiet the overload of information in the mind and confusion.
If you notice, most, if not all, of the Pirco Charter Teachers got sent software with NO INSTRUCTIONS.

One thing it simply did was sharpen and hone in on what the person already knows about handicapping , and, to use what THEY see as unique individuals and talent that could augment and improve the software.

That why pro's like Bob Cochran can probably use ANY software or system and still get his winners, the use of the software reflects HIS sight and handicapping, not the other way around.

Remember an old Pirco axiom :

90% of handicapping is done BEFORE the computer is turned on.


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Old 07-28-2010, 04:32 PM   #4
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The MatchUp is not if's, and's , what if's and but's...,

"Early" or "Other Than Early"
Oh yeah, "...and maybe, this horse and this horse, and possibly that other one...."

Early or Other Than Early - THE HAT

Early or Other Than Early - RichieP

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Old 07-28-2010, 04:40 PM   #5
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Oh yeah, "...and maybe, this horse and this horse, and possibly that other one...."

Early or Other Than Early - THE HAT

Early or Other Than Early - RichieP

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Old 07-28-2010, 11:24 PM   #6
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Early or Other-Than-Early

So now the question becomes......,


DO WE really, REALLY KNOW and understand WHAT "EARLY" IS?


Check this out, a refresher is always good :


http://paceandcap.com/forums/showthr...?t=4761&page=5



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Old 07-31-2010, 09:49 AM   #7
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I think this is more of an advanced race that needs study.


http://paceandcap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1283



Probably get killed using The Mind's Eye on this one , but maybe not.

The principles still applies, its just knowing WHEN to apply them.

Early or Other Than Early ?

Since the other horses are too far back to make an impact or effect IN THIS RACE, my personal opinion is that there is a deeper Minds Eye sub-lesson in this race.

Mind's Eye projection of a horse with Multiple Running Styles......?

Mind's Eye of paceless races....?

Lets get to it, true MatchUp students.

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Think this mostly answers the question of the above race and a habit of thought that needs to be practiced:



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Running styles taking 1st impression QUICK:
1) Pre
2) Ugly
3) Ugly
4) Ugly
5) E/p
6) Early 1st fraction - 22.1 (tenths) races 1-2-6
7) Ugly
8) Ugly
9) Early/Press 1st fraction - 22.4 (tenths) is NO longer considered early.Press
10) Press


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So now the question becomes......,


DO WE really, REALLY KNOW and understand WHAT "EARLY" IS?


With further reading we get to look at this..........,



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To win the race it is essential that we recognize how the race is going to run. You must look at the first call in the race and find the horse that is most likely to get out of the gate first and take the lead. Then ask yourself, can the horse go wire-to-wire, or will he forced to run faster too establish the lead in today’s race? If this is true look at the Pressers and determine the horse that is up close, can he take over when the Early horses fail? If the answer is no then and only then look for a sustained horse too win the race.



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THEN, We get the cherry on TOP of that......,


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If an Early , or Early Presser can not win the race the race "set" up too run other than Early.



The Hat

To me, that says eliminating the NEED-TO-LEAD horse still does not mean the race will not run early.

That's why this horse won...,:

http://paceandcap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1283


Evaluating the NEED-TO-LEAD horse(s) separately with themselves or with the other Early group , THIS looks like a great way to determine ONCE AND FOR ALL..........,

"Early" or "Other-Than-Early" :


http://paceandcap.com/forums/showpos...1&postcount=41



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Old 08-01-2010, 08:57 PM   #9
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Im new on board here and sorry to butt in but The Match Up was not supposed to be a entity of it's own but rather a part of the Methodology.Doc was miffed how people would try to emulate the Hat when the match up is incorporated in the programs.Of the older programs Doc felt that KGEN was the best one for matching horses.
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For instance, look at #6, Kim's Gold :

http://paceandcap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3976


STUDY THIS RACE , FOLKS AND LOOK AT THAT HORSE.

This is NOT a special voodoo situation.

This race is an example of several things that is and will be universal in all races using THE MATCH UP:

1) #6 Kim's Gold has NO POWERLINE to todays projected 1st call

2) #6 Kim's Gold has NO PACELINE to todays projected 1st call and 2nd call (sorry computer users)

3) #6 Kim's Gold has NO LINE for MatchUp horse vs horse, this horse would be ELIMINATED ( you know the method, starting with the the 1st horse in race, matching him with the 2nd horse, eliminating the loser , then going to the 3rd horse, etc.,)



This horse only has "position" to 1st call projection and "powermove" from THAT position or further.

This demonstrates that powerlines and powermoves and other factors are secondary to the primary, which is "INTUITION" ,Early or Other Than Early?

So now the question becomes:
"How do we consistently get horses like these ..?"

Remember, this horse "only" has POSITION and POWERMOVE in his past performance from that position or further.

How do we use POSITION and when do we know when to use it?

Either we wait for a number of NEED-TO-LEAD horses that are of equal talent at the first call to kill each other so we know what POSITION the winner will most likely come from.......,

.........or we stack all the EARLY runners to determine "Early or "Other-Than-Early" and eliminate them all and simply find and bet the OTE that is closest to lead positionally factoring in pace of race, like this......,


http://paceandcap.com/forums/showpos...1&postcount=41


.....but if we did that, it would eliminate #6 Kim's Gold who ONLY had
POSITION and POWERMOVE from that position or further.

So, next homework/research assignment is to see does stacking the EARLY like this--


http://paceandcap.com/forums/showpos...1&postcount=41


--also gives us a potential POSITION point from which the OTE winner will come from......so maybe two matchups, matching the two BEST Other-Than-Early to find the winner......,

1) The 1st OTE will be from " the closest to the lead positionally factoring in pace of race"

2) The 2nd OTE will be the best from POSITION with a POWERMOVE from that position or further........., and "IF" he has fractions comparable to todays projected, so much the better, more SECONDARY corollaries and Match Up math to laser in on our ONE horse and give us confidence in our decision, as INTUITION is the PRIMARY factor.

......back to "Hat Check".....,


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