Major vs. Minor tracks - Page 10 - Pace and Cap

Charlie D · 04-04-2010, 10:54 PM

Some lines are aberrant. I believe Doc talks about these somewhere. Maybe Ted's methodology selected one.

Tandem loser to Lookin so probably a case of garbage in, garbage out too. (no malice intended Ted)

Charlie D · 04-04-2010, 11:13 PM

Just noticed #8 lost to another horse in SA Derby earlier too at Holly, the #6, so thats two strikes in Tandem losers column

Not a contender Ted imho and entering them can cause a "World of Hurt" ( The Hat)

Learn from this mistake mate.

Charlie D · 04-04-2010, 11:33 PM

Big Loss to Lookin Comment: Broke out, EMPTY
Loss to Coracotado in a Sprint

Beaten by Conveyance twice over 8f, who then went on to be beaten in Sunland Derby.

Look at his "picture" he does not belong in this Match Up.

For The Lead · 04-05-2010, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Charlie D

Big Loss to Lookin Comment: Broke out, EMPTY
Loss to Coracotado in a Sprint

Beaten by Conveyance twice over 8f, who then went on to be beaten in Sunland Derby.

Look at his "picture" he does not belong in this Match Up.

Oh, I looked at it! It's little wonder that the horse gets beat by so many graded horses. You can call it a tandem loser, or say the lines used were aberrant or anything else you wish to use as a reason for the horses poor performance. The bottom line is, the horse is a "claimer"! That's all it has ever beaten! And until it beats something better, that's all it is! At this point it is not the caliber of proven graded horses. On the scale of "man made designations", it just can't compete at the current level at which it is being raced. That's it! That's all there is to it! Plain and simple!

Charlie D · 04-05-2010, 12:19 AM

You don't need a race title to tell you horse does not belong in race as i've just shown.

Voodoofan

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It's a waste of time and energy trying to convince the unconvincable

(or similar to above)

So i'll stop trying now and let thread get back on track.

For The Lead · 04-05-2010, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Charlie D

You don't need a race title to tell you horse does not belong in race as i've just shown.

Voodoofan

(or similar to above)

So i'll stop trying now and let thread get back on track.

Good idea, Charlie, but it was a nice try.

Charlie D · 04-05-2010, 12:29 AM

Your were telling me to keep an open mind earlier FTL. I think it's you who may need to take the blinkers off.

For The Lead · 04-05-2010, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Charlie D

Your were telling me to keep an open mind earlier FTL. I think it's you who may need to take the blinkers off.

I thought you were done?

I haven't worn blinkers in the 45 years I have been at this game. My field of vision has been unobstructed in an effort to learn anything and everything. Some it it was good and some of it was......not so good. That's what gives me such a wide range of resources from which to draw from, including that which you picked up a short while ago. And it also includes one of my favorites from "the hat" that I don't see many matcher's adhering to. "Horse racing is an easy game. When the gates open one horse goes to the lead. If no other horse can pass it, it wins!" It has been my observation that matcher's believe EVERY RACE will run "other than early", which of course, is ridiculous. Is this to say that ONLY "the hat" was capable of finding an early horse that could win?

So in all fairness to this thread, just let our back and forth die a natural death.

Charlie D · 04-05-2010, 01:04 AM

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It has been my observation that matcher's believe EVERY RACE will run "other than early"

I have to inform you, your observations are incorrect FTL.

Anyway, as you say, let the natural death begin.

Good Skill

gl45 · 04-05-2010, 08:00 AM

CD,
the graphics of the various stats at minor tracks that you are showing, include all the race at all class level. I'm sure those stats would change if computed separately by individual classes.
Also, the tandem concept doesn't consider the rest of the field in a race. Just because horse A beat horse B last week, and thinking that B will beat A today, or A will beat B again will not stand because the rest of the field will negate that approach. Actually it is better to consider what effect the performance of horse A and horse B will have on the rest of the field.

04-04-2010, 10:54 PM	#91
Charlie D Match Up Apprentice Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 2,105	Some lines are aberrant. I believe Doc talks about these somewhere. Maybe Ted's methodology selected one. Tandem loser to Lookin so probably a case of garbage in, garbage out too. (no malice intended Ted) __________________ "To me, The Match Up supercedes everything" Last edited by Charlie D; 04-04-2010 at 11:06 PM.

04-04-2010, 11:13 PM	#92
Charlie D Match Up Apprentice Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 2,105	Just noticed #8 lost to another horse in SA Derby earlier too at Holly, the #6, so thats two strikes in Tandem losers column Not a contender Ted imho and entering them can cause a "World of Hurt" ( The Hat) Learn from this mistake mate. __________________ "To me, The Match Up supercedes everything"

04-04-2010, 11:33 PM	#93
Charlie D Match Up Apprentice Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 2,105	Big Loss to Lookin Comment: Broke out, EMPTY Loss to Coracotado in a Sprint Beaten by Conveyance twice over 8f, who then went on to be beaten in Sunland Derby. Look at his "picture" he does not belong in this Match Up. Attached Images __________________ "To me, The Match Up supercedes everything" Last edited by Charlie D; 04-04-2010 at 11:38 PM.

04-05-2010, 12:29 AM	#97
Charlie D Match Up Apprentice Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 2,105	Your were telling me to keep an open mind earlier FTL. I think it's you who may need to take the blinkers off. __________________ "To me, The Match Up supercedes everything"

04-05-2010, 08:00 AM	#100
gl45 Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 878	CD, the graphics of the various stats at minor tracks that you are showing, include all the race at all class level. I'm sure those stats would change if computed separately by individual classes. Also, the tandem concept doesn't consider the rest of the field in a race. Just because horse A beat horse B last week, and thinking that B will beat A today, or A will beat B again will not stand because the rest of the field will negate that approach. Actually it is better to consider what effect the performance of horse A and horse B will have on the rest of the field.