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Old 11-22-2013, 09:53 AM   #61
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YES, But you have to close the program and clear the cache and then reload the race.
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Old 11-22-2013, 09:57 AM   #62
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Bill,if you do not reload the program will use the original way that you ran the race.
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Old 11-22-2013, 10:37 AM   #63
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Some facts

Thanks Rmath

I see the 7 and 5.5 adjustments RDSS is making

The issue I have is not only the speed rating of 1 point
The issue I have is today's distance is 7 furlongs just as the distance of paceline 1

Line 2 is being adjusted to today's 7 furlong distance from 5.5 furlongs

In the follow up Doc is often asked "are 5.5 furlong races comparable to 6 or 7 furlongs" His response is - Let your records of the races at your track tell you.

I have my records.

First off according to my database 5.5 furlong races for 3 + males have a average adjusted speed rating of 82.
The average adjusted speed ratings for 3 + males going 7 furlongs is 79

So its seems to be a fact that on average 5.5 races run faster than 7 furlong
races at Parx.

Since the 10 ran a 7 furlong speed rating faster than average
and the 10 ran a 5.5 speed rating slower than average I feel this indicates that line 1 is more representative than line 2.

Looking at the POR adjustments
It seems like in this race the 5.5 lines are being overly adjusted

The adjusted POR for line 2 is saying 21.5 45.7 and 123.3 No horse has run against a faster POR first fraction at 7 furlongs than 22.5

But the average POR fractions for 7 furlong races at Parx for 3 + Males
is 23.4 46.5 125.5

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Old 11-22-2013, 11:02 AM   #64
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From my checking, using Dick's settings, choosing either the 1st or 2nd line for #10 changes neither the BL/BL position (4th), the VDC rank (tied 3rd) the CSR rank (tied 1st) nor the E/L distribution style.

It's pretty close to a moot point which line to use.

FWIW, in my own practice, if one line or the other changes nothing about my primary decision making factors (BL, VDC, E/L), I tend to go with the more recent one, closest to today's distance. But even that is mostly for 'show' - as either works, and - importantly - BOTH serve as confirmation of what I'm seeing.

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Old 11-22-2013, 11:17 AM   #65
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Thanks Ted

Thanks Ted

I agree with you. except the fact that 5.5 race and 7 furlong races run so differently.
and in this case the competitive make up of the race effects my decision


Anyway Here is what VALM shows

It gives both line 1 and 2 an adjusted speed rating of 81

Yet line 1 is rated better on The total energy, Primary line score, BLBL and VDC

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Old 11-22-2013, 11:34 AM   #66
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Thanks Ted, you are right that in this race it makes no difference.
Bill, DO you remember what DOC said about comparing read outs from different programs??
DO NOT DO THIS!!!
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Old 11-22-2013, 11:36 AM   #67
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PRX 6 111813 Horse 10 con't 1

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Old 11-22-2013, 11:42 AM   #70
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That is true

Thanks Rmath
However I am comparing RDSS in Howard Sartins settings
to Valm also using Howard Sartins settngs/programs

Each program is showing line 1 as superior to line 2

Your using settings that you decided are better than Doc's
So you will get different results

I am not comparing Doc's work to your personal opinion on what works by your settings
I am showing why I feel that line 2 is not the
Best of the last 3 at a comparable distance surface or competition level

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