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09-22-2013, 01:56 PM | #101 | |
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RDSS has it rated 5-1-6 APV Class Red,Green,Yellow
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09-22-2013, 02:09 PM | #102 |
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Thanks for your help Lawrence
Appy, This is why its so important to ask questions. The way BLBL works is the best or highest rate horse is listed first then each horse rated a notch below will be listed in descending order. The Sartin methodology uses a low is best ranking system for some factors and high is best for others, so don't get discouraged. Once you learn which is which you will be fine. As Lawrence says the top 3 on BLBL are not the same as the top 3 APV the top 3 on BLBL in this race was 3 1 6 |
09-22-2013, 03:32 PM | #103 |
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Would those ratings/selections differ depending on chosen line?
Looking at the screenshot shown right above there is a blue line under BL. That blue line appears above other ratings depending on screen selected. Is that blue line the indicator of selection order FOR THAT SCREEN, or are the selections indicated by order under program#?
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09-22-2013, 03:36 PM | #104 |
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Also, looking at the segments screen I notice a difference sometimes between the colored rankings/program # and the added scores for each horse in the panels. What's up with that?
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09-22-2013, 03:52 PM | #105 |
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I will take these last two questions up in the RDSS area Lets stay focused on the topic of contenders pacelines and winning guidelines Bill |
09-22-2013, 06:53 PM | #106 |
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Enjoy so much reading these posts. Another member and I also have been thinking of starting a thread about models, and the use of Excel stats and tools in doing that, if there is any interest in the subject. It can get very involved, but doesn't have to be, necessarily. You can do the export, and manipulate and do a search, or just keep/have everything together and do sorts, (or even automate them with macros and pivot tables). Any interest ? We would be especially interested in having the long-time vets, and members weigh in about how and what sorts of models they keep. We need to talk to Ted again, before we do this, but PM me please if anyone is interested, or has ideas about how to get this thread up and running. Thanks.
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09-22-2013, 07:49 PM | #107 | |
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In reading your posts, it seems you have already determined RDSS to be a "black box". That is to say, it seems you are relying on RDSS and the horses at the top of the BL/BL screen as "selections". Before I go on, here is a quote from the "software's father's mouth". I'm not trying to put Ted on the spot here. This post was already posted and discussed in another thread. I'm just trying to bring to your attention, that fact that RDSS was not written to be a black box and, therefore, should not be used as one. Aside from certain adjustments made by the RDSS program, the main purpose is to take the information (times) from the line "you" provide to it, and simply put the resulting information "in order". RDSS or any other software that is simillar, meaning based on a single line selection, does the same thing. How do I know? I have my own software and the same thing is done there. Software, residing on your computer, is as dumb as dirt...until it is given a command to carry out. When it is given a command, it then performs the functions it was programmed to carry out. In order for us to read the information it provides, it has to be ordered in one fashion or another, making it easy for us to read. Again, I will direct you to review the races posted in the teaching area. In many of the races posted there, attention is provided to other ways of determining the winner of a race, other than the BL/BL screen. Good luck! And as Bill V has already said, the best thing to do is ask questions.
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09-22-2013, 08:24 PM | #108 |
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I would have exactly zero interest in a "black box" type program. However, it does seem RDSS is making something on the order of overall composite rankings. I never rely on those as my selections seem rarely to agree (I've always done my handicapping manually with form and a pencil). When I DO agree though it is kind of a confidence builder in my own selections. In fact, my own selections are far outperforming the software overall ratings, but I'm still not winning at a satisfactory rate.
My question was directed toward each different screen. One section of ratings on each screen will have a little blue line at the top. I wanted to know what that little blue line indicates. For the past several weeks I've been reading Follow Ups, the manuals, and the teaching threads on this forum until my eyes are bleary! In fact it's kind of getting to be something of an obsession. But I am determined to improve my skill at selecting the best paceline to use for better effect, as well as a more complete understanding of the methodology. My understanding, and hope, is that the software will be a computation time saver. Handicapping by doing everything manually takes me way too much time.
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09-22-2013, 11:17 PM | #109 | |
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This is a great question. Not easy to answer, but a great question.
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09-23-2013, 09:49 AM | #110 |
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FTL, thanks for answering Jims questions.
I have been following along with this thread and have enjoyed your help in teaching others, myself included, to improve their handicapping skills. Please keep up the good work. I for one always enjoy learning how to improve my own handicapping skills. Good luck. Rmath |
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