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11-30-2018, 08:12 PM | #1 |
AlwNW2X
Join Date: Aug 2017
Posts: 25
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Handicapping with Trakus Data
I had a friend ask me to look at trakus charts and race replays. I just wondered if anyone here has used this information and what were the results?
I just got back from an extended vacation and am ready to get started tomorrow with my home track Gulfstream Park. |
12-01-2018, 08:22 AM | #2 |
Abiding Student
Join Date: May 2016
Posts: 711
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I made my own speed figures for Woodbine one year and after adjustments for the daily track variant, I made a further adjustment using the Trakus data. It wasn't unusual to have the second or third place horse run a better number than the winner because of the distance "delta." I thought they were good figures but it was a lot of work and I still had a job at the time. Eventually, I gave it up and began using RDSS.
Frankly, I'm surprised that Trakus hasn't partnered with TrackMaster, DRF, TimeForm, HDW, etc. to produce figures. (Or maybe they have and I just don't know about it.) If I were doing it now, I would take the RDSS Adjusted Speed Ratings and modify those by the Trakus data. RDSS uses 8.33 feet per length and one point equals one length, just like the TPR figures. I was making mine from scratch using the Beyer scale and that was almost a full-time job. |
12-01-2018, 08:22 AM | #3 |
Conley
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Fergus, Canada
Posts: 1,777
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Never tried but I think what you can get out of Trakus and the results charts are:
Good replays and easy to read results with trackus Good info like running times, horse by horse results, footnotes, payouts with exotics, conditions, owner and trainer info with charts I thought you could make your own “system” with getting the times and running style for each race like for example: Gulfstream Park: Clm10k going 6F: L5 runnings of this class in the past few days have favored early speed, posts 4,5,6 and the average times have been 22.3, 45, 1:11 And since the meet for GP is just starting you can start to do what I said above for the whole meet! It’s always better to get the times and the running styles and posts favorable early or at least when they start because if you start late, it might not be as accurate! Good luck! Last edited by CheckMark; 12-01-2018 at 08:35 AM. |
12-01-2018, 10:01 AM | #4 |
Grade 1
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Largo Fl.
Posts: 2,295
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Trackus
Don't waste your time with this, it's garbage. Many many many mistimed races. If you want to read about it go to the pace advantage site and search for Trackus.
Bob |
12-01-2018, 11:06 AM | #5 |
AlwNW2X
Join Date: Aug 2017
Posts: 25
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Garbage
I notice that they call Timeform, Bris, Formulator and Moss pace figures garbage. I respect everyone's opinion, but there is no perfect system. I think good cappers find a system they are comfortable with and stay with it.
Unless you have very deep pockets this is a recreational sport that is very challenging and frustrating at the same time. If anyone ever comes up with software that produces a great return on investment, rest assured it will not be for sale. |
12-01-2018, 01:05 PM | #6 | |
The egg man
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Carlsbad, California
Posts: 10,005
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Disagree
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Read each follow-up as if it were a separate book and follow Doc's psychology of winning articles. in the later follow-ups, Capper's articles also work wonders on building confidence and a winning attitude It's all about taking each race as an opportunity, to be self-sufficient and win using your brain and guts That is very satisfying and addictive Bill |
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12-02-2018, 06:00 PM | #7 |
Grade 1
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Escondido CA just 25 minutes from where the turf meets the surf - "...at Del Mar"
Posts: 2,418
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I did some research for Ted at SA a couple of seasons ago, trying to find a way tran 25 to use the Trakus info.
there were a couple of patterns that developed, but it seems that the prices were very slim. If you found a place or show horse that ran 25 or more feet than the winner in its previous race and was close to the winner at the end it could be a decent play next out if it projected not to have to run wide again. The odds usually reflected the anticipated outcome if this was the case. If a horse lost by say 25 feet, but ran 25 feet farther than the winner the extra distance may mean nothing. If you had an E horse who last started in post 10 and could not get the lead, the distance run usually helped cancel that horse's chances. But if the same horse was drawn closer to the rail without much early pressure, a line E today, the horse could be backed. But in the end it was a lot of work without much payoff. Thankfully Ted found something for me to research that was a lot more profitable, namely, the work on the top 4 CSR horses and the top 4 low odds horses. |
12-03-2018, 12:32 AM | #8 |
AlwNW2X
Join Date: Aug 2017
Posts: 25
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Trakus Data
Thanks for the input as it saves me from spending to much time on this.
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12-05-2018, 04:36 AM | #9 | |
cratman
Join Date: May 2006
Location: DC area
Posts: 83
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Thanks
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