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Old 08-02-2010, 02:33 PM   #1
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For instance, look at #6, Kim's Gold :

http://paceandcap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3976


STUDY THIS RACE , FOLKS AND LOOK AT THAT HORSE.

This is NOT a special voodoo situation.

This race is an example of several things that is and will be universal in all races using THE MATCH UP:

1) #6 Kim's Gold has NO POWERLINE to todays projected 1st call

2) #6 Kim's Gold has NO PACELINE to todays projected 1st call and 2nd call (sorry computer users)

3) #6 Kim's Gold has NO LINE for MatchUp horse vs horse, this horse would be ELIMINATED ( you know the method, starting with the the 1st horse in race, matching him with the 2nd horse, eliminating the loser , then going to the 3rd horse, etc.,)



This horse only has "position" to 1st call projection and "powermove" from THAT position or further.

This demonstrates that powerlines and powermoves and other factors are secondary to the primary, which is "INTUITION" ,Early or Other Than Early?

So now the question becomes:
"How do we consistently get horses like these ..?"

Remember, this horse "only" has POSITION and POWERMOVE in his past performance from that position or further.

How do we use POSITION and when do we know when to use it?

Either we wait for a number of NEED-TO-LEAD horses that are of equal talent at the first call to kill each other so we know what POSITION the winner will most likely come from.......,

.........or we stack all the EARLY runners to determine "Early or "Other-Than-Early" and eliminate them all and simply find and bet the OTE that is closest to lead positionally factoring in pace of race, like this......,


http://paceandcap.com/forums/showpos...1&postcount=41


.....but if we did that, it would eliminate #6 Kim's Gold who ONLY had
POSITION and POWERMOVE from that position or further.

So, next homework/research assignment is to see does stacking the EARLY like this--


http://paceandcap.com/forums/showpos...1&postcount=41


--also gives us a potential POSITION point from which the OTE winner will come from......so maybe two matchups, matching the two BEST Other-Than-Early to find the winner......,

1) The 1st OTE will be from " the closest to the lead positionally factoring in pace of race"

2) The 2nd OTE will be the best from POSITION with a POWERMOVE from that position or further........., and "IF" he has fractions comparable to todays projected, so much the better, more SECONDARY corollaries and Match Up math to laser in on our ONE horse and give us confidence in our decision, as INTUITION is the PRIMARY factor.

......back to "Hat Check".....,


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Old 08-02-2010, 02:50 PM   #2
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This is a very difficult question for me to answer, because I’m not sure of the meaning of form and condition . If a hors’s last couple of running line is horrible, I’m not sure is he is out of form, or
just a "ugly" horse.

I never second guess my self of running line I have selected. If the horse does not run to this line,
or I lose the race, then and only then, do I question the line I have selected. In reality I pick the
horse and not a running line.

Jim

Primary "INTUITION" got #6 Kim's Gold, not math, jockeys, a paceline, variants, rails in or out, trainer stats, sire ratings, tote action, leg wraps, blinkers, dosage, you name it...,

Lets Get-The-Horse, "First"....,

"EARLY" or "OTHER-THAN-EARLY"

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Old 08-02-2010, 09:06 PM   #3
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Positions, Beaten Lengths & Match Up lengths

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A horse feels comfortable in a certain position. Always look and find the position where a horse does his best.

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Balancing Position Call With Beaten Lengths

Balancing position call with beaten lengths is not really that difficult, but is
an important phase of understanding The Match Up.



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Remember, it takes one unit of energy to gain position and one unit of energy to gain beaten lengths


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First I will establish the pace of today’s Race:

Today’s Projected Pace is: Pace: 22 .2 45.2 110.3



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Here is my analysis of the race:

The 1 horse is one fifth of a second slower than today’s pace and will lose positions and beaten lengths, he is eliminated.

#1 - http://paceandcap.com/forums/showpos...52&postcount=6





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The 9 horse will gain one position from fourth to third, but using his beaten lengths he will be third at the second call and his final time is slower than today’s pace, out he goes.
#9- http://paceandcap.com/forums/showpos...0&postcount=14



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The 6 horse is an outstanding horse, his position will change from fourth to third and with no other horse in front of him he will gain position and beaten lengths and will take the lead at the second call, because his second call is faster than today’s projected pace. Santa Anita is about two fifths of a second faster than Belmont, and after adding the five beaten lengths to the 108.3 he runs a 109.3. I add a couple of fifths to this time for track to track, which makes it 110. He is an Early Presser and will destroy this field.

#6- http://paceandcap.com/forums/showpos...7&postcount=11



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Old 08-02-2010, 09:42 PM   #4
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Now we have to look at that early grouping we have to look closely and ask
1) Is there ONE horse that DOMINATES here??

Early or O.T.E.??

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Now we have to look at that early grouping we have to look closely and ask
1) Is there ONE horse that DOMINATES here??

Early or O.T.E.??
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Now we have to look at that early grouping we have to look closely and ask
1) Is there ONE horse that DOMINATES here??

Early or O.T.E.??

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By assuming the presence of a FAST O.T.E. horse coming from that group when it is examined SEPARATELY as its own race 2 very good things happen:

1) Your Mind's Eye gives you immediate feedback on the real strength of that early group winner when you "ask the question" E or O.T.E.

Watch this now:
2) When you move to the O.T.E. group and it turns out there are NO fast horses who also Power Move the Early group winner is YOUR HORSE. Bet his ass if the price is right for you! THIS race is going early.

3) Use the number of early runners in the early grouping to help you get started where to look positionally for the O.T.E. winner to come from at the FIRST CALL.

3 earlies in the early group start looking around for the fast O.T.E. guys with strong showings from around 4th POSITION at the first call.

4 earlies in the early group start looking around for fast O.T.E. guys from around 5th POSITION at the first call.

Pretty cool to focus on one thing (early grouping for ex) and all of a sudden realize that something else is also being answered for you(where to begin your "HUNT" for the O.T.E guy) at the same time man!

How the heck do you think the man with the Big Stetson did the stuff he did so FAST! Maybe just maybe he heard answers to questions he hadn't even asked yet.

THIS is Jim "The Hat" Bradshaw Voodoo and now YOU can start working this.I am VERY serious.

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Now we have to look at that early grouping we have to look closely and ask
1) Is there ONE horse that DOMINATES here??

Early or O.T.E.??

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Now we have to look at that early grouping we have to look closely and ask
1) Is there ONE horse that DOMINATES here??

Early or O.T.E.??


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Now we have to look at that early grouping we have to look closely and ask
1) Is there ONE horse that DOMINATES here??

Early or O.T.E.??





Bears repeating

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Old 08-02-2010, 11:48 PM   #5
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Let's start with NEED-TO-LEAD horse:


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ONE horse that DOMINATES
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ONE horse that DOMINATES
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ONE horse that DOMINATES
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ONE horse that DOMINATES

Seen this a few times.

A NEED-TO-LEAD horse whether he is GOOD or BAD, B-U-T, has NO fractional or positional challengers or equals at the 1st call....,


........ there are NO positions to count, because he DOMINATES , EXCLUSIVELY, that 1st call....,

.............. and there are NO 2nd/3rd position horses with equal or faster pace of race at 1st call and 2nd call.....,

.........and there are NO FASTEST PACE LAST RACE Early or O-T-E...,

.........and there are NO 4th and further who has powermoves, powerline, faster pace of race fractions because they are simply TOO FAR BACK....,

........an "ugly" NEED-TO-LEAD horse that is deteriorating can still win the race, especially when he normally holds the lead until the stretch before he coughs up a liver.

********* Remember this horse? *********

http://paceandcap.com/forums/showpos...3&postcount=19


Compared to the "others" there ARE no OTHER POSITIONS to count, although he is a pretty "ugly", deteriorating Early, knee-jerk is to throw him out and look for OTHER-THAN-EARLY....., there is NONE, position-wise or otherwise.

Look at that = Minds Eye = on this Early horse, 3rd line.

Looking for n-i-i-i-i-c-c-c-e looking, pretty, formful pace lines or do we DO what is instructed :

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ONE horse that DOMINATES

Back to the basics, man..., be honest, we forget and usually throw him out, if not, you're keeping true and retaining the basics.

I did not because I keep forgetting.

Looks like I have to do like some holy men in isolated Temples and repeat and chant over and over and over again for hours and days or weeks until its "1st-sight"/ "2nd nature".......,

......or sound like Rain Man, repeating over and over, like Turrets syndrome..,


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Old 08-03-2010, 01:25 AM   #6
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In reality I pick the horse and not a running line.

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In reality I pick the horse and not a running line.

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In reality I pick the horse and not a running line.

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In reality I pick the horse and not a running line.

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Bears repeating.

Let's put our Stetsons on and get to that "HAT" zone, its a nice place to be.
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Old 08-03-2010, 06:17 PM   #7
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Hi guys
This forum was asked to be created by Charlie D and others to keep a line open for those who like to "match" horses.

From the posts in this forum by folks it is apparent that there are MANY different forms/methods/procedures to accomplish this "matching". It is as it should be in my opine and it's all good!

The "Hat Check" forum is the way that Jim taught ME and he was first to admit that he taught his students differently after speaking with them to determine their strengths/weaknesses. THAT way is the focus of that forum and those that are interested can study there at their convenience.

THIS forum has taken on the life of something kinda nice (I.M.H.O) in that there is a broad scope of different ideas etc all leading to the end result - WHO IS THE BET (S)

I like the fact that virtually all the time a winner is had that the winning capper has taken the time (both before and after) the race runs to give a bit of EXPLANATION as to the thought and decision making process. This goes for those using software as a tool and raw by the pps only stuff. It is ALL GOOD man

BTW feel free to post up races when you see one that you like. Just get the full pps up with screenshots (or links to the race pps) for ALL to be able to see, access and work (whether they post or not your time taken to do this helps EVERYONE and Jim would like that VERY much!)

Good matching!
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