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08-16-2012, 09:30 PM | #1 |
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RDSS vs Synergism--Ted?
Ted,
Do you feel like RDSS's ability to make its own adjusted times makes Synergism essentially redundant? In other words, is Synergism bringing to the table something that RDSS is currently incapable of doing? I have been following this discussion for some time now, and frankly I feel like I must be missing something conceptually crucial about how both programs work. Thanks. Jake |
08-17-2012, 03:04 AM | #2 |
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Hi Jake,
Actually, I find that the adjusted times from RDSS enhances the usage of Synergism 2. For me, personally, Synergism2 has factors I can easily find, read and relate to. I incorporate RDSS, Synergism2 and the knowledge and methodology I have acquired from my good friend Randy Giles and PaceAppraiser. It is easier to know what to look for if you have a reasonable idea of how the pace of the race sets up and how the race may travel. |
08-17-2012, 09:06 AM | #3 | |
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I made the Synergism export (and still working on it) because some people are familiar and comfortable with it, and would like to use the program they perhaps came to the Methodology with, or remembered being quite successful with but just can't manage doing all the data entry to use it regularly. Most of those people (those who signed the Poll saying they did not use RDSS but might if it exported to Synergism) are unfamiliar with the power of RDSS, and its own adjustment set. Perhaps they will become more familiar - and satisfied - in the course of using it initially as a source of SYnergism data exports. Dr Sartin billed Synergism as the last velocity program, and 'on the cusp of Energy', and indeed the Energy style programs of the late 80's and early 90s (Energy!, Kgen, Thoromation) were where the Methodology evolved (deceleration, incremental energy exertion). That evolution culminated over the 1990s with a fusion of Energy and velocity programs in Synthesis and Validator, which along with Speculator are the direct forbears of RDSS. SO RDSS has the velocity compound factors, the dream race, but also deceleration and incremental energy disbursement (V/DC), as well as the Pace makes the Race style ratings and Early/Late differential, and the weighted lines score which is BL/BL. In short - it is the combination of much of what went before - and it makes use of an industry standard and publicly maintained set of adjustments (from Equibase/TrackMaster). Plus, model making tools, plus tote board integration, plus form cycle analysis, plus info to help analyse First Time Starters, plus maintaining portfolios of race types for focusing on your strengths (My Races). I believe Synergism is still a fine program, as are all the older programs. If people are comfortable with them and successful, they should use them. If RDSS can enable them to continue to make use of what is familiar and successful (Synergism, Energy, Kgen, Thoromation) then I am happy to be of service. But RDSS is not lacking anything that these programs provide. In my opinion Hope that helps, Ted
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08-19-2012, 10:38 PM | #4 |
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Ted, do you still plan on implementing the feature for the exporting of data for the Sartin 4 call programs?
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08-21-2012, 12:17 PM | #5 | |
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Finding myself now engaged in the whole topic of exports to these various older file formats, perhaps now (or by the time I get it finished) is the time to add the 4 call exports to Thoro II, Super Kgen, etc (i.e. 'in for a penny, in for a pound' ...). When I get back from vacation mid Sept, I'll take another look at that and get back to you. Thanks for the reminder, and hope you're doing well these days! cheers, Ted
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08-21-2012, 04:55 PM | #6 |
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Well, Ted, since you're in such an amenable mood, wouldn't it also be cool to cover all the bases and rig up an export to UltraPlus (later version of UltraScan)? That would not be a 4 call export, but 3 call, and might have to be tweaked a bit.
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08-21-2012, 06:23 PM | #7 |
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Had a nice chat today with Bill V and wanted to clear up a few things
What I was attempting to do was show how I use Syn 2 as taught to me by Richie P and Bob Purdy. I was in no way trying to say that Bill V was doing it wrong. He has the ability to pick out one line for a fulcrum which many people cant do,the way I was showing was for people who cant.Also I should not have put it in RDSS thread. Suggesting Syn VI I thought this was the right thing to do giving Purdy a mention since RDSS exports to his program. I will no longer post in the RDSS thread as I do not use it currently. |
08-23-2012, 05:16 PM | #8 | |
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Nice seeing you last weekend in Saratoga! Ted
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08-17-2012, 12:59 PM | #9 |
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Thanks, both replies were crystal clear and to the point. I appreciate the thought processes at work here,
and the relevant history lesson, given how difficult handicapping without the proper tools can be these days. I will take another look at RDSS again. Jake |
08-17-2012, 01:44 PM | #10 |
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Jake,
I am by no means any type of expert using Synergism but the way it is shown to be used is really defeating the purpose of the program. Myself and Pino were intially intoduced to it by Richie P who really knew the power of the program.Later on Pino added more to it with the power of 50 and by using track records instead of 3 year best.Also through various e mails with the developer Bob Purdy I learned more. The main power of this program is the way it makes adjustments to the horses by a Par Variant.The way it accomplishes this is by putting in setup times of the various horses using RAW DATA.Once you get your contenders you setup the race by what distance is the majority of like pacelines you have. I feel by using adjusted data and only using one setup time(unless that is all you have to work with) is not the way to use the program.Then again if the people doing it are having success with it more power to them. |
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