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Old 08-24-2012, 03:20 PM   #1
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Synergism without RDSS

I thought I would start this thread for people using Synergism the old
fashioned way.


Straight from Doc's mouth

Because of the way Synergism is able to auto adjust the data there is
no reason for any small adjustments to be made.Therefore giving the
user more time to pick thier own pacelines.
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Old 08-24-2012, 06:15 PM   #2
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Hi Jeff

Can you give us an example race?

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Old 08-24-2012, 06:49 PM   #3
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Shoe raw

hello Jeff

here is race 8 from Pen tonight I did the race completely raw and entered my lines and set up times by hand

Here is the first screen
I said yes to shippers because of the different surfaces and distances
of the pacelines I used
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To keep it simple I used basic phase 1 to pick my lines
and get down to 5 contenders

I sorted the race by FW
My set up times are from the 3 horses with 8.0 pacelines
The 3 year best is 136.3

BTW the fulcrum is 113.3 140.1 and is also one of the setup times

here is race 8 raw
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Old 08-24-2012, 06:59 PM   #4
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here is the race fully adjusted by RDSS

Adjusted lines
same race race 8 Penn 8/24

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Old 08-24-2012, 09:37 PM   #5
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Raw

In the 8th race at Penn doing the race as well as I can as per the manual
and using raw data, Proved to be the way to go

The raw number using 3 set up times and the 3 year best
has the win place and show 1 7 8 right on top
The adjusted did not do well at all
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Jeff may be on to something This really was not that hard to do
If Ted could make it so that the shipper and set up times could be entered
by hand first, then the raw pacelines I think Jeff is correct that the program should make the adjustments not RDSS

BTW here is the RDSS BLBL using the same lines
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Old 08-24-2012, 10:56 PM   #6
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Bill,

Way to go by looking at your dream race the 1 owned the 1st and 3rd
fractions so pretty much looked like a lock.


I really havent played anything the last 3 weeks as the cards have looked
really bad.The next time I see an interesting race I will post it.

I dont know if you have done it or not but listen to those Synergism tapes
as Doc gives a great presentation on the dream race.
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Old 08-25-2012, 09:27 AM   #7
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Bill,

Nice work. Incidentally, if all the pacelines are from the same track you don't have to answer "Yes" for shippers as the program will automatically make the adjustments.

Jeff,

By any chance do you have the link for that video?
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Old 08-25-2012, 10:40 AM   #8
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This is from the SYN ll manual

In my race all the lines were from Penn but I had different distance
and 2 off tracks so I read this to mean say yes to shippers in this race?


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any help would be great
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Old 08-25-2012, 10:54 AM   #9
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This is from the SYN ll manual

In my race all the lines were from Penn but I had different distance
and 2 off tracks so I read this to mean say yes to shippers in this race?


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Bill, my interpretation of that would be only answer "Yes" if one of those PEN pacelines was turf. The different distances and off tracks from PEN would be automatically handled by the program.

What I'm not sure about -- how to handle artificial surfaces. For example, if today is a dirt race and the paceline you're using is from a tapeta race does that call for a "Yes" adjustment. I don't know. I've been saying "Yes", but like I said, I'm not sure.
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Bill,

David is right off tracks and different distances are handled by the program.


David,

I got that from Doc on the Syn tapes which are in the library.
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