The "suck along horse" - Pace and Cap

RichieP · 09-21-2006, 03:05 PM

Here are the pp's from a horse at Belmont. Showing only his 1st 2 calls in this screenshot.

Look at his position and beaten lenghts for the 9 races shown.Facing 1/2 mile times varying from 45.1 to 48.1 his POSITIONING in each of the races at the
1st and 2nd calls are remarkably similar.

Position
7-7
6-5
6-6
4-4
6-4
8-5
5-4
4-5
5-5

It just gets comfortable in it's positioning in the race and then sucks along NEVER impacting the pace of ANY of it's races.

here is the screen shot

RichieP · 09-21-2006, 03:10 PM

now I am gonna show the complete running line for the same horse including stretch call and finish

a few of the races u see the horse made a deep stretch move and placed or showed. NEVER headed a winner at any call in any race.

There is NO kind of fight whatsoever present in this horse.

A true " suck along".

Screenshot

RichieP · 09-21-2006, 03:15 PM

Now here is what happened in the race when it tried to get involved and "mix it up" with the field before deep stretch ok?

see what happened? see the trackman's comment?
"Brave Robin raced up close early and was outfinished"

he tried being a FIGHTER. Something he certainly is not and got destroyed.

screenshot of results from yesterday's race

RichieP · 09-21-2006, 03:19 PM

just for the record here are the winner's pp's

the last time it was on the dirt it fought early - got passed at the 1/2 - then gained BOTH position and beaten lenghts fighting back at the stretch call. Something Jim has been telling me is a telltale sign of gameness in a horse.

The " Fighter"

screenshot of winner's pp's

09-21-2006, 07:24 PM

thought this was reserved for questions only to Mr. Bradshaw. Have things changed?

gl45 · 09-21-2006, 08:11 PM

Dupree,
Richie post is aiming to understand the Match Up concept, regarding horses positions during the race. What better place to post it if not here.
Pino

09-21-2006, 03:05 PM	#1
RichieP Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 7,014	The "suck along horse" Here are the pp's from a horse at Belmont. Showing only his 1st 2 calls in this screenshot. Look at his position and beaten lenghts for the 9 races shown.Facing 1/2 mile times varying from 45.1 to 48.1 his POSITIONING in each of the races at the 1st and 2nd calls are remarkably similar. Position 7-7 6-5 6-6 4-4 6-4 8-5 5-4 4-5 5-5 It just gets comfortable in it's positioning in the race and then sucks along NEVER impacting the pace of ANY of it's races. here is the screen shot Attached Images __________________ "Grampy I'm talking to you!" Last edited by RichieP; 09-21-2006 at 03:22 PM.

09-21-2006, 03:10 PM	#2
RichieP Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 7,014	now I am gonna show the complete running line for the same horse including stretch call and finish a few of the races u see the horse made a deep stretch move and placed or showed. NEVER headed a winner at any call in any race. There is NO kind of fight whatsoever present in this horse. A true " suck along". Screenshot Attached Images __________________ "Grampy I'm talking to you!"

09-21-2006, 03:15 PM	#3
RichieP Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 7,014	Now here is what happened in the race when it tried to get involved and "mix it up" with the field before deep stretch ok? see what happened? see the trackman's comment? "Brave Robin raced up close early and was outfinished" he tried being a FIGHTER. Something he certainly is not and got destroyed. screenshot of results from yesterday's race Attached Images __________________ "Grampy I'm talking to you!"

09-21-2006, 03:19 PM	#4
RichieP Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 7,014	just for the record here are the winner's pp's the last time it was on the dirt it fought early - got passed at the 1/2 - then gained BOTH position and beaten lenghts fighting back at the stretch call. Something Jim has been telling me is a telltale sign of gameness in a horse. The " Fighter" screenshot of winner's pp's Attached Images __________________ "Grampy I'm talking to you!" Last edited by RichieP; 09-21-2006 at 03:22 PM.

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09-21-2006, 07:24 PM	#5
Dupree_03 Guest Posts: n/a	thought this was reserved for questions only to Mr. Bradshaw. Have things changed?

09-21-2006, 08:11 PM	#6
gl45 Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 878	Dupree, Richie post is aiming to understand the Match Up concept, regarding horses positions during the race. What better place to post it if not here. Pino