Go Back   Pace and Cap - Sartin Methodology & The Match Up > Hat Check - How Can We Help You? > Matchup Discussion
Mark Forums Read
Google Site Search Get RDSS Sartin Library RDSS FAQs Conduct Register Site FAQ Members List Search Today's Posts

Matchup Discussion Matchup Discussion and Practice

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 12-22-2012, 07:21 PM   #11
pktruckdriver
Grade 1
 
pktruckdriver's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Saratoga Springs
Posts: 1,547
Would this help you to learn, if not , then why not?

In the workbook I saw this.
Attached Images
 
pktruckdriver is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-06-2013, 08:17 AM   #12
exactor
AlwNW1X
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 8
From the video context I got the impression this is about beating the pace of the race. When it wins the beaten lengths on the 3rd fraction would not be so inaccurate (one of the criticisms of pace by Beyer who is also mentioned in the video). Taulbot used pace of the race only and the Doc thought highly of that approach I think.
exactor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-06-2013, 12:02 PM   #13
vderdak
Grade 1
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 130
My Thoughts on RDSS and the numbers

It always comes down to interpretation of the readouts and of course as others have said decision making on your part. I'm sure most can always get the race down to 4 horses or so, then the crucial rubber meets the road thingy, deciding the final one or two contenders which can actually win the race.

I always have to chuckle when someone posts a comment and asks for the race to be explained and why RDSS was way off, do they not realize we are only working in estimates at best with the readouts, these are horses running, not machines, you have as Andy Beyer likes to point out at times pinhead jockeys riding them, they are numerous reasons why a horse doesn't run it's race; slow off the break, doesn't feel good today, poor jockey, doesn't like to run inside or outside, pace to fast, to slow, to high of class of race, to short a race, to long a race, on and on and on.

The numbers we get with RDSS do a wonderful job of breaking down the fractions but again times and beaten lenghts are best estimates, not finite absolute in stone 100% accurate numbers.

As others have said, not a black box, you can take any race after the fact and point out which factor led to victory, but it's after the fact, the trick of course is to say with certainty before the race which factors will lead you to the winning horse. Nothing wrong with post analysis, it needs to be done but understand once you know the winner it's much easier to see why he won.

I won't be responding to this post, just wanted to point out some observations I've had recently from posts I've seen since I've been on here.
vderdak is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2013, 02:27 AM   #14
For The Lead
Grade 1
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,292
Quote:
Originally Posted by vderdak View Post
It always comes down to interpretation of the readouts and of course as others have said decision making on your part. I'm sure most can always get the race down to 4 horses or so, then the crucial rubber meets the road thingy, deciding the final one or two contenders which can actually win the race.

I always have to chuckle when someone posts a comment and asks for the race to be explained and why RDSS was way off, do they not realize we are only working in estimates at best with the readouts, these are horses running, not machines, you have as Andy Beyer likes to point out at times pinhead jockeys riding them, they are numerous reasons why a horse doesn't run it's race; slow off the break, doesn't feel good today, poor jockey, doesn't like to run inside or outside, pace to fast, to slow, to high of class of race, to short a race, to long a race, on and on and on.

The numbers we get with RDSS do a wonderful job of breaking down the fractions but again times and beaten lenghts are best estimates, not finite absolute in stone 100% accurate numbers.

As others have said, not a black box, you can take any race after the fact and point out which factor led to victory, but it's after the fact, the trick of course is to say with certainty before the race which factors will lead you to the winning horse. Nothing wrong with post analysis, it needs to be done but understand once you know the winner it's much easier to see why he won.

I won't be responding to this post, just wanted to point out some observations I've had recently from posts I've seen since I've been on here.
Initially I wasn't going to respond to this post, but I changed my mind.

I'm not even sure what the point was. Is there anything in this post that someone didn't already know?

With regard to "post race analysis", Doc once wrote...
Name:  post race.JPG
Views: 328
Size:  30.2 KB
Moreover, I don't recall any "follow up" that included an example race or problem race that was "in advance" of the race actually running.

So I have posted a race in the teaching area that shows how "the numbers" DO NOT point to the winner, not even after the race....unless you "know something" BEFORE THE RACE!
Here's the link to that post.
http://paceandcap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8953
__________________
"It's suppose to be hard. If it was easy, everybody would do it." Jimmy Dugan, A League of Their Own
For The Lead is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Learning The Sartin Methodology Houndog Welcome to the Sartin Methodology 24 03-01-2017 09:06 AM
Answering Mike's Question - My Learning Experience With Richie P. barb craven RDSS 14 11-26-2011 06:54 PM
Just learning at mountaineer mrhug General Discussion 4 05-28-2011 07:43 AM
Jim Bradshaw's 5 Step Approach to learning the Matchup RichieP Hat Check - How Can We Help You? 1 05-25-2009 09:52 AM
learning something new about track surfaces Tim Y General Discussion 1 12-18-2008 02:55 AM


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:14 PM.