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Old 03-21-2012, 07:07 AM   #1
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for the NP RDSS afficionados only, Msalony is making a killing.

MNR.....66 races, won 39 with a ROI of 112.93% Exactas only

few bombs, the last bombs did occurs last night in race 8, RDSS had 2-7/4-6
for a net of $272.20.

A little braggadocio is in order.
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Old 03-21-2012, 08:20 AM   #2
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Thats great news guys
Its really nice to see true Pace and Cappers
doing well all over the board


Keep it up Mike

thanks for the news Pino

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Old 03-21-2012, 09:17 AM   #3
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Congratulations Mike. You and Pino have put a lot of time into this. I'm glad to see it paying off. Thanks for letting us know Pino.
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Old 03-21-2012, 09:27 AM   #4
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Mike, Pino,

Congratulations, and thanks for the news. Could you share some of your decision making process?

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Old 03-21-2012, 01:20 PM   #5
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Mike, Pino,

Congratulations, and thanks for the news. Could you share some of your decision making process?

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Unadjusted speed rating are used.

DREAM SMART..never won a race, what make me think he will win today. OUT

WISE MR. BEAN...a swing horse due to 2nd call beaten lengths in 3 of his last 4 races. in the money last 4 races...IN

CITOYEN STYLE...last 2 races are a tell. Trainer is trying the old FDK angle (form darkening) off the 3rd. race back with no success. OUT

BERNIE'S SURPRISE.....third race off along layoff, that is enough for me, 2 workout races at Penn (faster track), also is stretching out. IN

PROMETHEUS.....good horse bad trainer, the horse won a race after 2 month layoff, trainer send horse out with 9 days rest and the horse gets a show, trainer think the horse is ready and send the horse back out today with 9 days rest. Anybody here think this horse is fresh or injured. OUT (I do pay attention to FTL posts)

JUSTICE EXPRESS....second race after 2 months layoff (good angle). Race workout at CT and at longer distance for stamina, back at MNR with another workout within a race for SPEED. The Taulbot famous or not so famous HW (Hidden Workout), beside the horse has decent finishes at MNR in the past. Why no risk $2.00 at those odds. IN

ROCKET RICHIE...Best of the field, back class and a great workout within last race at 7 furlong, good early speed and topped with the "A" angle, imagine that. IN

RHYD Y BLEW INN....The owner should retire this horse. OUT

lets do it again next week.

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Old 03-22-2012, 09:43 AM   #6
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In another thread, I said I would not comment on the value of NP, because there were several others that have spent a lot of time in researching that value and I was leaving that to them since they were doing such good work. What I have to say, here, is in no way an effort to diminish their work, but it is a situation that I just can’t let go by. What I am going to show you here is a follow up to something else I posted in another thread. I would rather think of what I am about to post as a continuation of Mikesal57’s and Gl45’s work, especially as it pertains to this particular race.

Below you will see a couple of screen shots.
The first is my track profile for the night of this race. There isn’t much in the way of hindsight here as this race was the 8th race on the card. To anyone paying attention, there were 7 races run prior to this one. In every single race, 1 thru 7, the winner was on the lead by “at least” the second call and went on to win. Pay particular attention to the 6f races that night as well.

If that isn’t enough, the second screen shot shows my track profile for MNR up to and including the night before this race. It is for claiming races at 6f for males. That is what this race is.

Now I invite all of you to look at the PP’s for this race. No, I don’t have them here to post for you. You are going to have to do that on your own.

There is no horse in the race, that in either of their last two races, has been anywhere near the lead at the first and second call, other than the winner, who did it in its’ last race. I know some of you will point to the #7 horse that was in 2nd position last time out. Well, that was at 7f at TAM. There is a big difference between 7f and 6f, but that is another story.

While digesting this, keep in mind that the winner ran that race in another 6f race for males and although I didn’t research it, keep the profile I have attached in mind. It applied to THAT race as well.

The winner broke from the 10 post that night and did the best it could to try and make the lead, all the way to the second call. There is no other horse in today’s race that shows that kind of effort.

My point?
If you don’t keep these kinds of records, good opportunities, like this one, will pass you by.
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Old 03-22-2012, 11:00 AM   #7
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In another thread, I said I would not comment on the value of NP, because there were several others that have spent a lot of time in researching that value and I was leaving that to them since they were doing such good work. What I have to say, here, is in no way an effort to diminish their work, but it is a situation that I just can’t let go by. What I am going to show you here is a follow up to something else I posted in another thread. I would rather think of what I am about to post as a continuation of Mikesal57’s and Gl45’s work, especially as it pertains to this particular race.

Below you will see a couple of screen shots.
The first is my track profile for the night of this race. There isn’t much in the way of hindsight here as this race was the 8th race on the card. To anyone paying attention, there were 7 races run prior to this one. In every single race, 1 thru 7, the winner was on the lead by “at least” the second call and went on to win. Pay particular attention to the 6f races that night as well.

If that isn’t enough, the second screen shot shows my track profile for MNR up to and including the night before this race. It is for claiming races at 6f for males. That is what this race is.

Now I invite all of you to look at the PP’s for this race. No, I don’t have them here to post for you. You are going to have to do that on your own.

There is no horse in the race, that in either of their last two races, has been anywhere near the lead at the first and second call, other than the winner, who did it in its’ last race. I know some of you will point to the #7 horse that was in 2nd position last time out. Well, that was at 7f at TAM. There is a big difference between 7f and 6f, but that is another story.

While digesting this, keep in mind that the winner ran that race in another 6f race for males and although I didn’t research it, keep the profile I have attached in mind. It applied to THAT race as well.

The winner broke from the 10 post that night and did the best it could to try and make the lead, all the way to the second call. There is no other horse in today’s race that shows that kind of effort.

My point?
If you don’t keep these kinds of records, good opportunities, like this one, will pass you by.
FTL,
well said. I manually input my data, reason why I play one track and only cheap claimers.

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Old 03-22-2012, 11:07 AM   #8
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Hi FTL

Here are the PP's I have the Adjusted on top and the original on the bottom
As a very learned teacher told me this morning "I one opens his mind to what
Doc taught " The winner is very gettable But you must trust you DECISION
and work in a calm FOCUSED state . With basic Sartin Methodology guidelines
in playthe winner and exacta are top picks If you are willing to go back to
the best of the last three comparable paceline

My lines are hi lighted in yellow
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Old 03-22-2012, 11:11 AM   #9
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Old 03-22-2012, 11:13 AM   #10
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