The use of RDSS and the results

[Latekick]

Hi all. I've been seriously thinking about two questions that id like to post here and see the responses that you guys have.
The first being, do any of you play in handicapping tournaments and use RDSS2 while in the tournament, if so, what have been your results and do you trust RDSS2 enough to spend some money to get in the contest and wager aggressive throughout the day too keep yourself in contention.
My next question is, are there any of us RDSS2 handicappers that can actually show a profit and can prove this if possible? It may sound as if im bashing RDSS2 but honestly im not. I feel like this program has taken my handicapping to a level it would have never been at. I love RDSS2 and will always be a user of its fundamentals even though i no longer have the program downloaded since last year,a s of now. But i will always be a believer, i was just curious to see the responses i got to those two questions

[Hoof 11]

RDSS is nothing more than a tool, a means to get you from Point A to Point B. Much like a car, it only responds to your input, if you drive a car into a brick wall, is it the cars fault? If you input crappy pacelines into RDSS, and lose a bet, is it the programs fault?

The onus falls squarely on the user, if you can’t pick pacelines you are basically doomed, it doesn’t matter what program you use. On top of the program itself, you need years of experience and knowledge before you can start turning profits. There is more to handicapping than what RDSS or the methodology is telling you on the surface, it’s the small details that will make you profitable, and that comes with experience. Picking contenders and pinpointing winners is only half of the equation, knowing how to bet properly is a whole other trade onto itself.

I have participated in some handicapping contests with some fellow RDSS users, and some do very well, and some do not. Why do you think that is?

As per your second question, you are asking people to prove their profitability? Seriously?

Expect nothing but crickets....

[Latekick]

Never said it was a all perfect no work system. I've read every article on this site and have been studying for 3 years every single day at least 3 to 4 hours of reading and reviewing in order to make it a natural instinct. I have discussed pace line slection with the best on this site. I know what it takes and i work for it, every day. Didnt mean to offend anyone with this....just asking for some respect from a guy ive never wronged...

[Hoof 11]

Huh? Please explain to me how i disrespected you?

And i wasn’t offended, i thought you were asking the wrong question.

Your question was.... do you trust RDSS enough to use in a buy-in tournament?

And my response was.... it has more to do with the user than the program itself. RDSS has no limitations, you can be successful with the program in all aspects of horse racing, there is no reason not to trust the program.

[Appy]

Kind of an interesting, and somewhat testy, thread.

1) I've yet to enter any tourney play, but am warming to the idea.
2) RDSS is not the only program/tool I utilize for handicapping.

Hoof11 has offered some sage comments.
"The onus falls squarely on the user..."
That is fact.
Another fellow asserts the most valuable computer at your disposal is the one perched atop your shoulders.
"you need years of experience and knowledge before you can start turning profits..."
I would amend that to say "years of experience enhance profitable expectations".

" knowing how to bet properly is a whole other trade onto itself."
Absolutely true. I am convinced someone could be a championship quality handicapper and an unprofitable wagerer at the same time.

"RDSS has no limitations"
On this point I disagree. While I have a very healthy respect for Ted AND for his product, IMO any program that does not include an integrated functional database with select-able filtering systems is limited in potential as a stand alone product.

I think asking anyone to prove profitability is an unreasonable request.
For my own part I'm not shy to share some of my winning picks, nor my less fortunate results. I would never publish actual earnings.

[Hoof 11]

Originally Posted by Appy

"RDSS has no limitations"
On this point I disagree. While I have a very healthy respect for Ted AND for his product, IMO any program that does not include an integrated functional database with select-able filtering systems is limited in potential as a stand alone product.

I personally know a profitable player that uses nothing more than straight PP’s, a pad of paper, and a calculator. I consider myself a pretty good handicapper, but this gentleman puts me to shame, with limited resources to boot.

RDSS users have gone head to head with database software users in a 20 week handicapping contest, and in the end, the RDSS user(s) won.

[polambi]

Let's see....joined Paceandcap in June of 2013 and "no longer have the program downloaded since last year, as of now".
So, basically you did not even use RDSS for 4 months. Keep looking for the black box of your dreams. RDSS is not for you.

[Bill V.]

Originally Posted by Hoof 11

I personally know a profitable player that uses nothing more than straight PP’s, a pad of paper, and a calculator. I consider myself a pretty good handicapper, but this gentleman puts me to shame, with limited resources to boot.

RDSS users have gone head to head with database software users in a 20 week handicapping contest, and in the end, the RDSS user(s) won.

Hi Hoof
Was the 20 week contest a free no risk contest?
That may be true but we also had many months of FREE No Risk handicapping contest for RDSS users here at pace and cap were I saw many cases of wild selections based on no risk "what the heck " strategy users. These users did well some months and bust out in others. This is why i no longer enter free no risk contest.


Good Skill
Bill

[Hoof 11]

Originally Posted by Bill V.

Hi Hoof
Was the 20 week contest a free no risk contest?
That may be true but we also had many months of FREE No Risk handicapping contest for RDSS users here at pace and cap were I saw many cases of wild selections based on no risk "what the heck " strategy users. These users did well some months and bust out in others. This is why i no longer enter free no risk contest.


Good Skill
Bill

Hey Bill

Yes it was.

While some entrants chose to use that strategy of 'wild swings', it was incredibly stupid from my point of view. When the outcome is based on points and not dollars earned, the best strategy in this case is consistency. I can only speak from our point of view (Ted, Mike, myself), but our strategy was based on consistency, we didn't really take any wild swings whatsoever. We handicapped races exactly the way we would normally do so, and chose our selections accordingly. Nothing fancy, nothing ground breaking, just good ol fashion consistent handicapping.

After everything was said and done, we were one of 4 teams that actually showed a profit, if my memory serves me correctly. I was incredibly proud of what we achieved in the 15 weeks of regular season play, until Hoof convinced Ted not to use a $160 winner in the playoffs......

Back to my original point..... regardless of what you use in your arsenal of tools, it always comes back to the individual. You can have every last resource at your disposal, that doesn't mean you have an advantage over someone that doesn't.

[Bill V.]

Thanks Hoof

I agree with that.

In regards to that contest I was not downgrading your teams methods
and no matter points or $dollars there still is a reward for a wild selection

If yours or any team sticks in a wild "what the heck" horse and it does happen to win or place your getting points. What bothered me was you would never had bet it to win ( as a prime bet )
Maybe you usually bet $50 win bets and when you see this type horse
in your day to day betting you may bet a few dollars maybe across the board,or for $1 put it in as another horse in your exacta or in your horizontals .

But in this contest if you had it in your top 3 picks and it wins or places you get the same points as any other selection. Does that make more sense ?
Also I am PO'd because we missed advancing because in the last race we bet
Horse B and A and D
Horse A and B were our Sartin methodology 2 horse bets.
both are considered equal right ?
The team that ended up edging us out also bet horse A and B
but because they bet the winner A first rather than 2nd they earned more points than us yet we both had the top 2 horses

Thanks
Bill