Kentucky Derby - Page 2 - Pace and Cap

poweshow · 04-25-2016, 11:38 PM

Without having crunched the numbers yet, from what I've seen Nyquist and Danzig Candy will both be penciled into the win column in any exotics that I place.

ClockerDan · 04-26-2016, 04:42 AM

Nquist doesn't have value to me His speed ratings are fine but late pace ratings seem low

But I do agree with you on Creator could be a use. Thanks for the response Dan from Ca.

ClockerDan · 04-26-2016, 04:47 AM

Nyquist seems to be a little low in numbers in a few categories for me Big hype could be
Wrong and he just didn't need to use everything in the tank.

dogkatcher · 04-26-2016, 03:45 PM

Using the Anonymous Horse Players Portal 11 elimination guidelines these are the ones that I think are Not Eliminated:

Nyquest
Exaggerator
Outwork
Oscar Nominated.

Only 2 winners since 1993 have not had all 11 factors, Giacamo & Mine That Bird.

ClockerDan · 04-26-2016, 05:20 PM

I believe the portal is wrong. Either it was California Chrome or the derby before they threw out the winner. Just 4 starts for outwork is not enough maturity in my humble opinion to be a derby winner and 4 starts for Oscar nominated and to boot its a turf horse. Ran real good
on poly track ( most turners do ) I'll give you that. Oscar Nominatated is my sleeper for the breeders cup if he is entered for turf that is. Nyquist speed figures are too low for me to believe the hype ( maybe leaving something in the tank.

dogkatcher · 04-26-2016, 08:36 PM

Clocker Dan, it's possible you may be correct. I was looking at it today and the only 2 who didn't qualify since 93 are the ones I mentioned.

I don't have any other facts to back any of this up. Either way those 11 elimination guidelines have performed rather well.

I applied them as best I could to this years contenders and those 4 are the only ones who are clean. I may not be however.

All the best, and pick that Derby Winner.

John

ClockerDan · 04-26-2016, 09:17 PM

You are right John I went back and looked for myself. I do love that Oscar - ken Ramsey

is supplementing the fee for the horse so I have used that in the past with great luck in breeders cup and Exagerated I really like Nyquist I'm not to sure on but Outwork can do it too - bigger horse than I thought some 16-17 hands so that is a plus in derby packed crowds. Thanks again John. Good luck to you as well

Ryan.p.coli · 04-27-2016, 04:09 PM

Ted once told me a horse only runs as fast as he needs to.

This is a tough field to sort through as nobody has run a Fast-Fast Race shape. Probably will end up using DRF ticket maker with a $500 budget and using the entire field in the pick 4, hoping I survive and catch a longshot.

Will be using RDSS for the VDC/Energy figs... I see a lot of hidden energy spent from the off the pace types.

PS- I have no idea what you are talking about re:the portal 11 elimination guidlines.

rmath · 04-27-2016, 04:35 PM

Dogkatcher,where are these anonymous horse players portal 11 guidelines located ?
I am sure there are several players who would like to read them.
If there is no website would you be willing to post them ?

thanks
Rmath

ClockerDan · 04-27-2016, 06:37 PM

It's a web site: anonymous horseplayers portal. How can I stick in the web page info on here? Rmath or/& Ryan.p.coli

04-26-2016, 03:45 PM	#14
dogkatcher Grade 1 Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 469	Using the Anonymous Horse Players Portal 11 elimination guidelines these are the ones that I think are Not Eliminated: Nyquest Exaggerator Outwork Oscar Nominated. Only 2 winners since 1993 have not had all 11 factors, Giacamo & Mine That Bird. __________________ "There is something about the outside of a horse that is good for the inside of a man"

04-26-2016, 08:36 PM	#16
dogkatcher Grade 1 Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 469	Clocker Dan, it's possible you may be correct. I was looking at it today and the only 2 who didn't qualify since 93 are the ones I mentioned. I don't have any other facts to back any of this up. Either way those 11 elimination guidelines have performed rather well. I applied them as best I could to this years contenders and those 4 are the only ones who are clean. I may not be however. All the best, and pick that Derby Winner. John __________________ "There is something about the outside of a horse that is good for the inside of a man"

04-27-2016, 04:09 PM	#18
Ryan.p.coli Grade 1 Join Date: May 2014 Location: Chicago Posts: 121	Ted once told me a horse only runs as fast as he needs to. This is a tough field to sort through as nobody has run a Fast-Fast Race shape. Probably will end up using DRF ticket maker with a $500 budget and using the entire field in the pick 4, hoping I survive and catch a longshot. Will be using RDSS for the VDC/Energy figs... I see a lot of hidden energy spent from the off the pace types. PS- I have no idea what you are talking about re:the portal 11 elimination guidlines. __________________ Follow the Sartin Methodology on Twitter: https://twitter.com/SartinMethod

04-27-2016, 04:35 PM	#19
rmath Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 1,676	curious??? Dogkatcher,where are these anonymous horse players portal 11 guidelines located ? I am sure there are several players who would like to read them. If there is no website would you be willing to post them ? thanks Rmath

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04-25-2016, 11:38 PM	#11
poweshow AlwNW2X Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Lafayette, CA Posts: 23	Without having crunched the numbers yet, from what I've seen Nyquist and Danzig Candy will both be penciled into the win column in any exotics that I place.

04-26-2016, 04:42 AM	#12
ClockerDan Grade 1 Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Bradford - Haverhill, Ma. Posts: 103	Nquist doesn't have value to me His speed ratings are fine but late pace ratings seem low But I do agree with you on Creator could be a use. Thanks for the response Dan from Ca.

04-26-2016, 04:47 AM	#13
ClockerDan Grade 1 Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Bradford - Haverhill, Ma. Posts: 103	Nyquist seems to be a little low in numbers in a few categories for me Big hype could be Wrong and he just didn't need to use everything in the tank.

04-26-2016, 05:20 PM	#15
ClockerDan Grade 1 Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Bradford - Haverhill, Ma. Posts: 103	I believe the portal is wrong. Either it was California Chrome or the derby before they threw out the winner. Just 4 starts for outwork is not enough maturity in my humble opinion to be a derby winner and 4 starts for Oscar nominated and to boot its a turf horse. Ran real good on poly track ( most turners do ) I'll give you that. Oscar Nominatated is my sleeper for the breeders cup if he is entered for turf that is. Nyquist speed figures are too low for me to believe the hype ( maybe leaving something in the tank.

04-26-2016, 09:17 PM	#17
ClockerDan Grade 1 Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Bradford - Haverhill, Ma. Posts: 103	You are right John I went back and looked for myself. I do love that Oscar - ken Ramsey is supplementing the fee for the horse so I have used that in the past with great luck in breeders cup and Exagerated I really like Nyquist I'm not to sure on but Outwork can do it too - bigger horse than I thought some 16-17 hands so that is a plus in derby packed crowds. Thanks again John. Good luck to you as well

04-27-2016, 06:37 PM	#20
ClockerDan Grade 1 Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Bradford - Haverhill, Ma. Posts: 103	It's a web site: anonymous horseplayers portal. How can I stick in the web page info on here? Rmath or/& Ryan.p.coli