The New Pace Makes The Race / TPR forum - Pace and Cap

Bill V. · 02-26-2016, 04:20 PM

Welcome

First and foremost I want to thank Ted for once again giving us all
here at Pace and Cap, So many powerful tools. We most likely all are users in some form or another of Dr Howard Sartin's methodology.
I have been successful using just about every program and phase of the methodology.
I feel in love with phase 1 AFTER reading Pace Makes The Race
I only read the book because I saw it mentioned in the follow up
and I saw the TPR numbers in a few of my classic Sartin Programs
like Entropy.
I learned so much from PMTR. I learned how the Early and Late pace ratings
were made, and when combined gave a total pace rating
or TPR.
For many years I saw the value of the Early/Late graph
on PL$ , Synthesis and all the programs in the Validator era
and of course RDSS.
It was from the book PMTR that I started to see why I was getting
somuch from this one screen,
Over the years Ted has updated and improved the TPR screen
on RDSS to now its almost like its own phase 1 program.
I have a few more ideas for Ted about some "wish" items
and If its possible, then Ted will find a way .

Off we go .
Welcome to Pace Makes The Race
Bill V.

shoeless · 02-26-2016, 08:59 PM

Bill,

Best of luck on your new forum

Jeff

RichieP · 02-27-2016, 11:09 AM

Hey Bill,
This is very,very cool as you explain concepts and your thought processes clearly! This forum couldn't be in better hands and I look forward to reading and learning as it moves along. The very best to you

Richie

dlivery · 02-27-2016, 02:35 PM

Hi Bill

This would certainly open up a lot of discussion and from how I work the races I can say the TPR would be one of my favourite tabs.
I would use to get some final rankings into the BL / BL

Bill V. · 02-27-2016, 04:24 PM

Yes Dilivery .
That is a smart way to go. I can usually stop my handicapping process just from the phase 1 readouts .and the match up .
But In Pace Makes The Race Doc writes
about advanced concepts . So using all your tools
In RDSS2 , especially VDC will surly help you.
Now VDC and the BLBL were not invented yet, but Doc does start to get into declaration ratios
Remember PMTR is an introduction into the Sartin
Methodology, not just a book about TPR ratings
Good Skill
Bill

pilot · 02-28-2016, 12:40 AM

Hi Bill, congrates on the new forum.

Wayne

Bill V. · 02-28-2016, 04:28 PM

Hello Bud
Yes, my goal is to make this forum that kind of experience. I remember the race . I plan on posting many teaching type race reviews. I prefer to do some races before the fact. But going over races after they are run is also helpful, that is if a set of guidelines are followed .
Please feel free to ask any question and together all can become very good users of the Sartin Methhodology

Brooks · 02-28-2016, 04:35 PM

Hello is is Bill's dad Joe
Bill gave my his copy of Pace Makes The Race
to read. I enjoyed learning how the numbers were developed.
Bill showed me how to pick my lines with TPR
I take my top 5 TPR horses from RDSS and then when I
go to the track I still use the daily racing form but I use the TPR too.

Brooks

shoeless · 02-28-2016, 05:06 PM

Hi Brooks,

Good to see you posting, I had just sent a e mail earlier to Bill about
you.

Tell Mrs V hello and I hope that you both are doing well

Jeff

gl45 · 02-29-2016, 07:45 PM

Rank the contenders (no more than 4) by the method that you use. Keep a winner data base. You will list your 4 contenders from first choice to 4th. choice. Example:
if you have a field of 10 horses and your contenders are 4-12-5-8 and the race winner is horse #5, you will write 3 in the winner column because #5 was ranked 3rd. in your contender list. You might need to play one track, maybe two if you want to maintain accurate stats. You'll be surprise how much you can discover about your handicapping method. Eventually you will be able to expand, using distances, surface, boys, girls, race conditions, etc....etc....
Handicapping is full time job,
On final note, look for value and ask yourself if you should play or pass that race.

02-26-2016, 04:20 PM	#1
Bill V. The egg man Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Carlsbad, California Posts: 10,005	The New Pace Makes The Race / TPR forum Welcome First and foremost I want to thank Ted for once again giving us all here at Pace and Cap, So many powerful tools. We most likely all are users in some form or another of Dr Howard Sartin's methodology. I have been successful using just about every program and phase of the methodology. I feel in love with phase 1 AFTER reading Pace Makes The Race I only read the book because I saw it mentioned in the follow up and I saw the TPR numbers in a few of my classic Sartin Programs like Entropy. I learned so much from PMTR. I learned how the Early and Late pace ratings were made, and when combined gave a total pace rating or TPR. For many years I saw the value of the Early/Late graph on PL$ , Synthesis and all the programs in the Validator era and of course RDSS. It was from the book PMTR that I started to see why I was getting somuch from this one screen, Over the years Ted has updated and improved the TPR screen on RDSS to now its almost like its own phase 1 program. I have a few more ideas for Ted about some "wish" items and If its possible, then Ted will find a way . Off we go . Welcome to Pace Makes The Race Bill V. Last edited by Bill V.; 02-26-2016 at 04:24 PM.

02-27-2016, 11:09 AM	#3
RichieP Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 7,014	Hey Bill, This is very,very cool as you explain concepts and your thought processes clearly! This forum couldn't be in better hands and I look forward to reading and learning as it moves along. The very best to you Richie __________________ "Grampy I'm talking to you!"

02-27-2016, 02:35 PM	#4
dlivery Grade 1 Join Date: May 2009 Location: Thornhill ON Posts: 437	TPR Rankings Hi Bill This would certainly open up a lot of discussion and from how I work the races I can say the TPR would be one of my favourite tabs. I would use to get some final rankings into the BL / BL __________________ May all wagers be Winners...

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02-26-2016, 08:59 PM	#2
shoeless Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,151	Bill, Best of luck on your new forum Jeff

02-27-2016, 04:24 PM	#5
Bill V. The egg man Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Carlsbad, California Posts: 10,005	Yes Yes Dilivery . That is a smart way to go. I can usually stop my handicapping process just from the phase 1 readouts .and the match up . But In Pace Makes The Race Doc writes about advanced concepts . So using all your tools In RDSS2 , especially VDC will surly help you. Now VDC and the BLBL were not invented yet, but Doc does start to get into declaration ratios Remember PMTR is an introduction into the Sartin Methodology, not just a book about TPR ratings Good Skill Bill

02-28-2016, 12:40 AM	#6
pilot Grade 2 Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 92	Hi Bill, congrates on the new forum. Wayne

02-28-2016, 04:28 PM	#7
Bill V. The egg man Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Carlsbad, California Posts: 10,005	Hello Bud Yes, my goal is to make this forum that kind of experience. I remember the race . I plan on posting many teaching type race reviews. I prefer to do some races before the fact. But going over races after they are run is also helpful, that is if a set of guidelines are followed . Please feel free to ask any question and together all can become very good users of the Sartin Methhodology

02-28-2016, 04:35 PM	#8
Brooks AlwNW2X Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 29	Hello is is Bill's dad Joe Bill gave my his copy of Pace Makes The Race to read. I enjoyed learning how the numbers were developed. Bill showed me how to pick my lines with TPR I take my top 5 TPR horses from RDSS and then when I go to the track I still use the daily racing form but I use the TPR too. Brooks

02-28-2016, 05:06 PM	#9
shoeless Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,151	Hi Brooks, Good to see you posting, I had just sent a e mail earlier to Bill about you. Tell Mrs V hello and I hope that you both are doing well Jeff

02-29-2016, 07:45 PM	#10
gl45 Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 878	Rank the contenders (no more than 4) by the method that you use. Keep a winner data base. You will list your 4 contenders from first choice to 4th. choice. Example: if you have a field of 10 horses and your contenders are 4-12-5-8 and the race winner is horse #5, you will write 3 in the winner column because #5 was ranked 3rd. in your contender list. You might need to play one track, maybe two if you want to maintain accurate stats. You'll be surprise how much you can discover about your handicapping method. Eventually you will be able to expand, using distances, surface, boys, girls, race conditions, etc....etc.... Handicapping is full time job, On final note, look for value and ask yourself if you should play or pass that race.