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05-14-2017, 12:04 PM | #1 |
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5/14 BEL Race 6 -Energy/Thoromation
3-Krist -line 2
4-Aboun -line 2 5-Lakes -line 2 6-Champ-line 3 |
05-14-2017, 02:23 PM | #2 |
The egg man
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Same horses but with Entropy and 1 adjust
Top 5 TPR line 1
4, 6 ,2 ,5 ,7 Fulcrum POR EPR 84.0 Notes Horse 1 Bi Light Of Day - Sustained 3 - 44 Line 2 (+) Line 1 is a 0 and the last race of the previous form cycle 20/1 0-5 on wet tracks No line Horse 2 Lady Luciano Early 5-47 Line I is a + line in the mud 8 days ago Today the track is muddy Horse 3 Krista Persona EP 4-34 Line 1 is a 0 race "Stumbled" Line 2 is a + pace line 51 days ago Horse 4 Abounding Spirit Fast EP Router 8-29 3 for 7 on wet tracks Cuts back to 6 .5 today Line 2 is an off track + paceline at 7 furlongs 37 days ago She is the ML favorite with 8 _ races in 10 tries Horse 5 Lakeside Sunset - Early 3 for 20 1 for 3 on wet tracks Line 2 is a + paceline 56 days ago Line 1 as a (+) 22 days ago I will rate off this line Horse 6 Champagne Rudy S/Presser 6 - 34 1-9 on wet tracks Line 1 is a + paceline 30 days ago today starts a new form cycle This one shows a win and a place first back after 30+ day layoffs Horse 7 Moondance Joy Presser 6-31 Line 1 is a 0 race today starts a new form cycle after a 51-day layoff. I see no wins or places after layoffs in her past I will rate offline 1 Readouts |
05-14-2017, 02:25 PM | #3 |
The egg man
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Entropy Thoromation
sort
Out goes the 2 Thoromation |
05-14-2017, 09:47 PM | #4 |
The egg man
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Spot Play
The 5 was #1 on Thoromation and the SP Pre-play
Using either the 1 adjust or 2 adjust This is a powerful spot play Using the 1 adjust Thromation SP replay 1 adjust Using the 2 adjust Thromation SP replay 2 adjust Result chart |
05-15-2017, 03:14 AM | #5 |
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Hi Bill,
Using Val4,looking at the pacelines...although it is the same 6.5 distance as this race,why did you choose line #1 ?...using line #1,horse #5 was third in Spec160 and Val4 BL/BL... Using line # 2,Lakeside Sunset was top 2 in the Bottom Line/Betting Line ... |
05-15-2017, 03:24 AM | #6 |
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Bill,
I am curious about this: I entered your pacelines in these horses,used # 1 -Automatic Adjustment ...but it did not come up the same as your Thoromation screen...I'm wondering why? Here's the Thoromation SP screen,using your pacelines... |
05-15-2017, 03:50 AM | #7 |
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Maybe RDSS export feature to Energy handles it differently.
because just to make sure, I used advance Axlate to convert Trackmaster .exe files to .drf files.,and I also used BRIS .drf files to compare ...and both data files came out with the same Thoromation screens ,showing #6 Champ ahead and #5 Lake a close second...way different from Bill's. |
05-15-2017, 07:51 AM | #8 |
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Bill V. ;
Great shot of the old Entropy screen and program. It was my favorite program and wish it was still included or at least the final total numbers to see the difference in rankings . Rather than percent's from best etc. NICE!!!! Mitch44 |
05-15-2017, 11:41 AM | #9 |
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Bill,
Using your pacelines and comparing it to your EXDC/Thoromation screens,it comes out different from yours. First screen is the Instant Preplay screen that comes up...SP Deceleration. Second screen is EXDC Deceleration. Last screen is the Final Thoromation screen,when the horses have ran across the screen. |
05-15-2017, 12:43 PM | #10 | |
The egg man
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Hi Ray
Ist thanks for all the great work you do, I am so happy that you can use Thoromation and do so well,
Questions , Why line 1 for horse 5 ? Step 1 who has the 5 best TPR from line 1? Quote:
Always rate the last line for every horse first. The 5 rates well on TPR off line 1 Line 1 is a (+) but what happened in the 3rd fraction? Line 2 is a + paceline The wire to wire win looks good. a I knew Line 2 would rate the 5 better than line 1 Since I had already known line 1 had a decent TPR I used it, I had a question about horse 5's form. I saw the workout 11 days ago, this was a good sign that things were okay, but I was not sure. I decided to rate off line 1 When I saw the readouts I stayed with line 1 Ray, I think the reason your getting different readouts could be because of two factors 1. I sent the lines from RDSS The first thing I did was send these lines to ENTROPY I used the 1 adjust, The 2 horse rated so poorly on all the readouts and last on the sort I scratched it. after I scratched the 2 reran the race in entropy, to the sort Then I saved the file. Then I opened EDXC/Thoromation and loaded the saved file from Entropy Then I ran the race in thoromation using the 1 adjust Then again with the 2 adjust to look for the spot play Here are the lines the way RDSS sent them Can you enter these lines with these numbers ? and see whay the 5-6 are flip-floping ? Horse 5 |
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