Brohamer

[Bill V.]

Whatever pace line you have selected brings with it the "match-ups" from the race the horse was in THAT day. If the same "match-ups" are not present in today's race, the pace line is not valid. Since you do not know what the "match-ups" were in the race from which the pace line was taken, how can you say it is a representative line for today's race?

Good point

The Sartin Methodology is based on picking lines from the past to
predict what will happen in the future.
In the Sartin Methodology today record keeping is needed
Databases, wooksheets , notepads, all are great tools
Even if what we are looking for are parameters

12/07/41

[Tim Y]

Originally Posted by For The Lead

Good job, Tim. You skated right over the point to the questions. Let's try again.

Whatever pace line you have selected brings with it the "match-ups" from the race the horse was in THAT day. If the same "match-ups" are not present in today's race, the pace line is not valid. Since you do not know what the "match-ups" were in the race from which the pace line was taken, how can you say it is a representative line for today's race?

The pace pressure put on the horse BY that pace line selected represented THAT match up. The evaluation TODAY is to find those lines that ARE as similar as possible to the predicted match up in today's race. NOT DIFFICULT

[shoeless]

Im sorry to any of you on how this thread took a wrong turn.It was intended to show how Brohamer from the FU described a way to look at possible pacelines to use for a horse.I thought I would get feedback from others on what they do but as usual it turned into a hodgepodge of unrelated BS.

[Charlie D]

Shoes

If using RDSS software

Last 3

Best CPR or TE at comparable distance/surface where possible

[shoeless]

Charlie,Glad you bought that up.Do you have a cutoff point to as how far you will go back for a paceline?I have always been prone to try and stick with the most recent paceline as possible with comparable class and distance.For example if a horse is coming back after 21 days and you go back 60 days for a paceline how can you be reasonably sure that the horse is in the same condition.Im not saying what your doing is wrong because you have to do what you think is best.Besides Bill V has been doing it like that for all these years and has done very well.Jeff

[Charlie D]

Best of Last 3 is just a starting point Jeff

I don't really have a limit, but after above i go to PP and check horse out

Say best CPR is Line 3, i look at what happened on Line 1 and 2 and if they suggest horse has gone/going downhill since best CPR i'll probably chuck horse

[For The Lead]

Originally Posted by Tim Y

The pace pressure put on the horse BY that pace line selected represented THAT match up. The evaluation TODAY is to find those lines that ARE as similar as possible to the predicted match up in today's race. NOT DIFFICULT

I don't think you have it. You are correct that the pace pressure put on a particular horse whose pace line you have selected represents the match up from THAT race.

The point is, WHAT WAS THAT MATCH UP, and HOW DOES THAT MATCH UP COMPARE TO THE MATCH-UP TODAY?

In other words, you can't compare the match-ups from the prior race to today's race until you know what the pace line match-up was from the prior race!

[For The Lead]

Originally Posted by Bill V.

Good point

The Sartin Methodology is based on picking lines from the past to
predict what will happen in the future.
In the Sartin Methodology today record keeping is needed
Databases, wooksheets , notepads, all are great tools
Even if what we are looking for are parameters

12/07/41

Thanks, Bill.

[Tim Y]

Originally Posted by For The Lead

I don't think you have it. You are correct that the pace pressure put on a particular horse whose pace line you have selected represents the match up from THAT race.

I love the rookie hubris

[Charlie D]

What i love is a person thinking they are an authority on Match Up who had earlier told us Fr1 was not important