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Old 07-07-2007, 03:31 PM   #61
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I couldn't get the Hat's chants and songs to play on Firefox, but they will play fine on IE. Did anybody else have that problem?

Some of the chants play for a while and then stop. I was wondering if there was any way to get them to play on a continuous loop.

I keep playing some of these chants over and over again. I love them. I'd like to figure out a way to put them on my MP3 player so I can listen to them when I'm playing poker.

Thanks for Sharing, Richie.
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Old 07-07-2007, 03:48 PM   #62
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While every race is different, the influence that pace has on the competitors in today's race are predictable. Like human beings, thoroughbred horses have defined behavioral patterns, or running styles. To understand the Match Up, it is essential that you learn to identify running styles and
learn to match these running styles. Once this has been accomplished it is possible to decide what is going to happen in today's race.

Horses finding themselves out of position, or in a different pattern, react differently. An Early horse that cannot get the lead may "sulk" and quit running. A late horse on the lead may run too fast, and exert his energy, or he may run too slow and get caught from behind. This type of horse usually
reverts back to their original running style in their next race. Over the past year these are some of the things I have taught Richie.

The race Rich has posted is a "pace-less" race. A race that does not have an Early horse. When I approach this type of race I do not worry about who will take the lead, but the running lines of horse that have run against the fastest pace. Remember, I do not worry about the last race, but the "power" lines of the horses. I always look at the last race, but do not limit myself to using it. Now I will show you how we worked the Race.
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The five and six horse have run against the fastest first fraction and the fastest second call. So, these are the running lines we zeroed in on. The one horse has run up close in slower time and will not be a factor in today’s race The other horses in the race have not faced today’s faster pace and
are eliminated. We decide the six horse will inherit the lead. (Read Richie’s reasons for elimination.)

We evaluate the five horse and decide he is the big move horse. In his fifth race his moves were: 8-7-5 -3. In his eighths race his moves were : 7-6-6-3 and in his route race his moves were 3-3-1-1. We believe the five horse will run the same positions as in the fast sprintst his beaten lengths
will be closer. I changed the last two position of the fast sprints to 3-1 from the route line. The positions in these races are now 8-7-3-1 and 7-6-3-1. This gives me a feel of moves in today’ race, These are advanced match up techniques and is procedures I have taught Rich.

Remember, we do not use software and are not looking for running lines to enter, nor adjustments to make. We are looking for the winner in today’s race and we have no rules that must be applied.
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Old 07-07-2007, 07:23 PM   #63
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We evaluate the five horse and decide he is the big move horse. In his fifth race his moves were: 8-7-5 -3. In his eighths race his moves were : 7-6-6-3 and in his route race his moves were 3-3-1-1. We believe the five horse will run the same positions as in the fast sprints his beaten lengths will be closer.

I changed the last two position of the fast sprints to 3-1 from the route line. The positions in these races are now 8-7-3-1 and 7-6-3-1. This gives me a feel of moves in today’ race, These are advanced match up techniques and is procedures I have taught Rich.
This is voodoo. In the 12 years or so I have been studying the MatchUp, I don't think I have ever been able to do anything quite like this. Most of the time I feel it is still way over my head, and there's a lot that I just don't comprehend.

Like Jim says, every race is different. It's really very hard to determine which techniques to use in which race for every different situation. There is always some "fly" in the ointment. Sometimes I just get lost in the shuffle, and I don't yet have the confidence to say, "Yup, there's the winner," which I know is what must happen to successfully apply this technique.

Nonetheless, it's fascinating to read and think about.

I appreciate you sharing with us, Jim. You'll always be number one in my book.
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Old 07-07-2007, 11:24 PM   #64
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I couldn't get the Hat's chants and songs to play on Firefox, but they will play fine on IE. Did anybody else have that problem?

Some of the chants play for a while and then stop. I was wondering if there was any way to get them to play on a continuous loop.

I keep playing some of these chants over and over again. I love them. I'd like to figure out a way to put them on my MP3 player so I can listen to them when I'm playing poker.

Thanks for Sharing, Richie.
Hi Turbulator,

You canbuy the CD on Amazon.com.

Artist - Verdel Primeaux
Album - Sacred Path: Healing Songs of the Native American Church

On Amazon you can listen to the song samples to verify that they are the same as those on The Hat's website.

Happy Chanting!
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Old 07-08-2007, 12:52 AM   #65
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In his fifth race his moves were: 8-7-5 -3. In his eighths race his moves were : 7-6-6-3 and in his route race his moves were 3-3-1-1. We believe the five horse will run the same positions as in the fast sprintst his beaten lengths
will be closer. I changed the last two position of the fast sprints to 3-1 from the route line. The positions in these races are now 8-7-3-1 and 7-6-3-1. This gives me a feel of moves in today’ race, These are advanced match up techniques and is procedures I have taught Rich.
WOW!!! That IS Advanced. That techique must be from seeing the past performance AND feeling what the horse normally does and is going to , position wise, do today. Gonna be chewing on that one for awhile. Thanks for the DEEP insight. VoodooFan
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Old 07-08-2007, 01:20 AM   #66
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Richie,

Greetings my friend. I sorta have an idea of what you're saying. All I can say is I have more (lots more!) practicing to do as well as re-reading The Match Up--both the original 'red' Sartin-released manual and The Hat's latest version of his book.

Best regards,

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Morning Jon
I have to answer your question in 2 parts.The SECOND part is the one that to ME is most important.

1) with practice and a focused effort to work the Matchup without letting this mainstream stuff become part of your work. Stuff such as rules,recency,
etc.

2) When your MIND is relaxed and QUIET it will "make the call". Working hundreds of races in this environment your mind "will make the call". This is INTUITION.

Richie
P.S. - If you use software a more rigid or application style of line selection/testing can be used to produce an acceptable "answer". It's all good.
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Old 07-08-2007, 01:41 AM   #67
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Richard,

Hi. Yes, I get the idea...through practice (lots of it!) you get an instinctual feel what to do and what to use. Been there, done that (and continue to do so) as far as selecting which paceline (to use) when analyzing a race using other tools--be it simple speed figures or which representative line to enter into a computer program.

After so many times doing it "I just know" which one to use. Hard to explain...all I know is that I can do it.

Now I gotta add the Match Up version of it to my repertoire and there's only one way: Practice, practice and more practice...

Best regards,

Jon

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Jon,

I think what Richie is trying to say here is that at this level there are not only no rules, but damn few guidelines. You use the last line except for when you don't.

I've never been to culinary school, but have been commercially cooking for the better part of 50 years, mostly various ethnic specialties. The people I learned from don't use Cups, Tablespooms, or even temperature measurements in their cookng.

I remember one old Mexican woman in South Texas years ago whose measurement units were one to three fingers, a small handful, large handful and whatever larger containers she happened to have laying around. Temperatures were slow fire and hot fire. You added ingredients when the consistency was right and served it when it was done.

The exact measurements and recipes are the work of cookbook writers and beancounters and the result of them is the standardized, homogenized pap that is our national diet in our fast food nation. The broad general knowledge is much easier to acquire, but it doesn't produce masters.

What Richie is passing on from the Hat is process, thought and going to that special place. The details are too variable to be supplied in advance and are going to require you making decisions depending upon the ingredients you are working with at the time. You learn to make those decisions by making them over and over, getting them right and getting them wrong.

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Old 07-08-2007, 11:35 AM   #68
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This is voodoo. In the 12 years or so I have been studying the MatchUp, I don't think I have ever been able to do anything quite like this. Most of the time I feel it is still way over my head,
Let me show you something that might help you to do some creative things with pacelines Steve while not freaking out during the process.

Isn't using adjusted numbers "Voodoo"?? When a "fig maker" says a 1:10 line really is a 1:11 isn't THAT Voodoo? What is he doing?

He is using some thing concrete (the ACTUAL time the horse ran RAW) and is adding things to it based on HIS opinion of what "should be". So the fig makers "Voodoo" lines EVERY day and folks use them and swear by them.
Right?

So I say ANYONE that has used adjusted numbers is and has already trusted enough "Voodoo" in their racing that doing some "creative stuff" with pacelines should be NO big deal.

Key is to
1) Quiet the mind
2) Trust your first instinct and ACT on it.
3) Relax

I KNOW you can do this.

You just have to put aside the "mainstream's thinking" that you can NOT change lines or manipulate things in horse's past performances.

YES you can.

Then the first time you do it and the horse wins you can have that really cool feeling of your hair standing up on your arms! You KNOW you have just done something very special.

take care,
Richie
P.S. - NONE of this can be done if the mind is not QUIET and RELAXED. None of it.
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Old 07-10-2007, 03:19 PM   #69
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Make the call

Not one horse in this race has EVER had the lead at the FIRST call. Today's distance is 8f.

we have a horse( not shown) who IS gonna get the lead at about 49.2 for the FIRST call today and will be out of position (I will post his pp's after. you will see it). btw the ACTUAL time for todays race ran 49.3! Amazing.

RELAX, look around at this screenshot. THESE are contenders who CAN get to their comfortable POSITION.

Remember:
FIRST CALL = 49.2 on the out of position leader today(not shown yet)

Who is the WINNER among these contenders? 2 horse bettors most welcome!

I told you earlier in this thread - "you will see this over and over and over and over and over again".

I was not kidding man. All you have to do is LOOK FOR IT.

Deja voux all over again.

"Hat Helper" - READ Jim's post about what he did and LOOKED for.

Result goes up Thursday ok? If you look before on "net" please don't post it here so others can do their thing.

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in a paceless race the fastest time of any presser will be considered a contenter:

24.2 49.1 116.1 3-2-3 position

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