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Fast4522 · 10-24-2006, 06:37 PM

Bill,
much of what you mention is in line with the way I view and use the methodology. I respect the fact that alot of things still work today that are 20 plus years old, and on the other side of the coin, I also understand many things are dated so use with caution. To be open is also to be willing to change, and to be going in a forward direction. The problem I have with dated programs and thought is the data is not what it once was. I have done side by side and viewed that trackmaster was more correct on this race, and the next race bris has the upper hand. Everyone can find something that works consistantly for some races and hone in on it as I think we all do in our own ways. But I really do not thing anything will ever replace the ability to read the form like a pro, and to pick winners without a computer occassionally if you had to.

tompkins · 10-24-2006, 10:15 PM

Buy three Forms a year: B.C., Horse of the year, Kentucky Derby. Rest of the time the data does it.

partsnut · 10-25-2006, 09:47 PM

Things seem to work well at the Meadowlands:
If you look at the charts that "Tompkins" posted,
which seems to be a great angle when applied with
the correct contenders and software.
It's not very difficult to understand.

Lots of scratches tonight but the in the first 2 races that were untouched
we had the winner. Two more races to go. Races 5 & 9.

Race -1.......(#2) at 5-1 ML Won and paid $ 6.80

Race -2.......(#5) at 6-1 ML Selection was Scratched

Race -3.......(#3) at 8-5 ML Won and paid $ 4.20

Race -4.......(#9) at 4-1 ML Selection was Scratched

Race -5.......(#1) at 5-1 ML

Race -6.......(#4) at 5-2 ML Selection was Scratched

Race -7.......(#3) at 4-1 ML Selection was Scratched

Race -8.......(#6) at 8-1 ML Selection was Scratched

Race -9.......(#5) at 7-2 ML

tompkins · 10-28-2006, 02:46 PM

2nd race - Woodbine - October 28, 2006
Pgm Horse Win Place Show
7 Bridled Jet 10.70 4.50 3.10
4 Algonquin Highland 2.60 2.40
2 Jeanne's Knight 3.70

$2 Triactor 7-4-2 122.20
$2 Daily Double 2-7 39.80

tompkins · 10-28-2006, 03:14 PM

3rd race - Woodbine - October 28, 2006
Pgm Horse Win Place Show
3 Grandy's Glory 30.10 11.90 6.10
1 Saskawea 6.90 3.90
4 Dashingalltheway 3.60

$2 Triactor 3-1-4 996.90
$2 Exactor 3-1 155.50

with the big favorite out, the exotics were huge

tompkins · 10-28-2006, 03:45 PM

4th race - Woodbine - October 28, 2006
Pgm Horse Win Place Show
7 Dark and Dangerous 20.70 10.10 5.30
2 Sister Elegance 18.00 9.20
5 Fortunate Heart 3.40

$2 Triactor 7-2-5 1,231.40
$2 Exactor 7-2 274.30

tompkins · 10-28-2006, 06:13 PM

9th race - Woodbine - October 28, 2006
Pgm Horse Win Place Show
4 El Gran Ron 12.10 5.70 3.60
1 One More Day 5.30 2.90
9 Struck Again 2.50

$2 Triactor 4-1-9 175.70
$2 Daily Double 10-4 51.80
$2 Exactor 4-1 56.20

tompkins · 10-31-2006, 04:35 PM

7th race - Fort Erie - October 31, 2006
Pgm Horse Win Place Show
4 Fairwell Madrid 40.60 16.70 8.10
12 Chickenonastikbaby 6.40 4.00
8 Celtic Ride 2.90

$2 Triactor 4-12-8 1,044.50
$2 Exactor 4-12 224.90
$1 Superfecta 4-12-8-3 4,064.05

this one had a HIDDEN speed move within a route paceline and the longshot detector picked it up.

10-24-2006, 06:37 PM	#61
Fast4522 Former member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Gun Country Posts: 363	Bill, much of what you mention is in line with the way I view and use the methodology. I respect the fact that alot of things still work today that are 20 plus years old, and on the other side of the coin, I also understand many things are dated so use with caution. To be open is also to be willing to change, and to be going in a forward direction. The problem I have with dated programs and thought is the data is not what it once was. I have done side by side and viewed that trackmaster was more correct on this race, and the next race bris has the upper hand. Everyone can find something that works consistantly for some races and hone in on it as I think we all do in our own ways. But I really do not thing anything will ever replace the ability to read the form like a pro, and to pick winners without a computer occassionally if you had to. Last edited by Fast4522; 10-24-2006 at 06:39 PM.

10-24-2006, 10:15 PM	#62
tompkins Grade 1 Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 708	Buy three Forms a year: B.C., Horse of the year, Kentucky Derby. Rest of the time the data does it. __________________ velocititian

10-28-2006, 02:46 PM	#64
tompkins Grade 1 Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 708	keeps on a goin' 2nd race - Woodbine - October 28, 2006 Pgm Horse Win Place Show 7 Bridled Jet 10.70 4.50 3.10 4 Algonquin Highland 2.60 2.40 2 Jeanne's Knight 3.70 $2 Triactor 7-4-2 122.20 $2 Daily Double 2-7 39.80 Attached Images __________________ velocititian

10-28-2006, 03:14 PM	#65
tompkins Grade 1 Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 708	amazing when it is going 3rd race - Woodbine - October 28, 2006 Pgm Horse Win Place Show 3 Grandy's Glory 30.10 11.90 6.10 1 Saskawea 6.90 3.90 4 Dashingalltheway 3.60 $2 Triactor 3-1-4 996.90 $2 Exactor 3-1 155.50 with the big favorite out, the exotics were huge Attached Images __________________ velocititian

10-28-2006, 03:45 PM	#66
tompkins Grade 1 Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 708	hard to believe 4th race - Woodbine - October 28, 2006 Pgm Horse Win Place Show 7 Dark and Dangerous 20.70 10.10 5.30 2 Sister Elegance 18.00 9.20 5 Fortunate Heart 3.40 $2 Triactor 7-2-5 1,231.40 $2 Exactor 7-2 274.30 Attached Images __________________ velocititian

10-25-2006, 09:47 PM	#63
partsnut BetMix User Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 2,433	Things seem to work well at the Meadowlands: If you look at the charts that "Tompkins" posted, which seems to be a great angle when applied with the correct contenders and software. It's not very difficult to understand. Lots of scratches tonight but the in the first 2 races that were untouched we had the winner. Two more races to go. Races 5 & 9. Race -1.......(#2) at 5-1 ML Won and paid $ 6.80 Race -2.......(#5) at 6-1 ML Selection was Scratched Race -3.......(#3) at 8-5 ML Won and paid $ 4.20 Race -4.......(#9) at 4-1 ML Selection was Scratched Race -5.......(#1) at 5-1 ML Race -6.......(#4) at 5-2 ML Selection was Scratched Race -7.......(#3) at 4-1 ML Selection was Scratched Race -8.......(#6) at 8-1 ML Selection was Scratched Race -9.......(#5) at 7-2 ML

10-28-2006, 06:13 PM	#67
tompkins Grade 1 Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 708	better get on the bandwagon while it is still there 9th race - Woodbine - October 28, 2006 Pgm Horse Win Place Show 4 El Gran Ron 12.10 5.70 3.60 1 One More Day 5.30 2.90 9 Struck Again 2.50 $2 Triactor 4-1-9 175.70 $2 Daily Double 10-4 51.80 $2 Exactor 4-1 56.20 Attached Images __________________ velocititian

10-31-2006, 04:35 PM	#68
tompkins Grade 1 Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 708	keeps on a clicking 7th race - Fort Erie - October 31, 2006 Pgm Horse Win Place Show 4 Fairwell Madrid 40.60 16.70 8.10 12 Chickenonastikbaby 6.40 4.00 8 Celtic Ride 2.90 $2 Triactor 4-12-8 1,044.50 $2 Exactor 4-12 224.90 $1 Superfecta 4-12-8-3 4,064.05 this one had a HIDDEN speed move within a route paceline and the longshot detector picked it up. Attached Images __________________ velocititian