Brohamer

[fasthorses]

Tim Y,

I think it was in post twelve of this thread that you said "Total energy down and % median up versus the same relative pace three races in a row, NEVER wins and is often off the board at short odds."

Needless to say, your comment is one that deserves a lot of serious attention because being able to toss out "short odds" horses with a high degree of success is a giant step towards profits.

I'm one of the less knowledgeable to visit this site but I'm pretty sure I've run across at least 2 and, perhaps, 3 "Total Energy" definitions connected with the Sartin Methodology.

Could you please define the "total energy" you refer to above and share how it's calculated?

Could you also please define what you mean by "the same relative pace"?

Thank you.

[Tim Y]

Originally Posted by fasthorses

Could you please define the "total energy" you refer to above and share how it's calculated?

Could you also please define what you mean by "the same relative pace"?

Total energy: the sum of the segmental velocities of the three fractional components of a race.

Same relative paces would be, for example

22.2 45.3
22.1 45.4
22.2 45.2

When an animal cannot keep up with the same relative pace, it's % median rises and it's total goes down and it is telling you it is time for a rest.

TWO other times this happens:

When a baby is stretching out and the median goes up, the colt is telling you (like NoBiz, Stormello and Scat Daddy did) that they cannot go to these newer longer distances at THAT point of their maturity. Bob n John (name?), a co-favorite for the race, as did Hard Spun who could NEVER win over 9 furlongs BOTH showed this coming into the Belmont.

THIRD: a horse IN FORM just meets paces that are significantly faster and this one cannot keep up making the median go up. GOOD horse, too fast a pace to contend with: they try their best and cannot keep up. You see this one all the time

[Tim Y]

A two year old CHAMP here in Vancouver showed he needed a rest and BOMBED (off the board at BELOW even money TWICE subsequent to this and stretching out) with rising medians like these.

Added another that went off a even money and ran 6th

[Charlie D]

Originally Posted by Tim Y

To YOU maybe, but it is the essence of what the methodology is all about. I was part of the group who tested, gave feedback and first promoted this program so that the creator of it, and the last several Sartin programs (Guy Wadsworth) would have direction on the several iterations that became Speculator. Catch up with what is happening.

"Johnny Come Latelys" have a lot to learn about the evolution of these ideas

PMSL




If someone disagrees with you, they are ignorant and don't have clue

You really are something Tim

[Tim Y]

Here is the extraordinary stability of medians from Fusaichi going into the Derby as well as NoBiz's rising ones.

One a winner, the latter nowhere RISING at 9 furlongs one could only predict they would be HIGHER at 10...They were.

[Tim Y]

Originally Posted by Charlie D

PMSL




If someone disagrees with you, they are ignorant and don't have clue

You really are something Tim

Ignorant is not stupid, it is unaware

[Tim Y]

Look at Smarty Jones: consistent sustained to late while on the lead and project to get 10 furlongs

[Tim Y]

Originally Posted by Charlie D

If someone disagrees with you, they are ignorant and don't have clue

You really are something Tim

want to prove a point? provide some evidence or otherwise you're just whistling dixie

[Charlie D]

My evidence is contained on these pages

Everyone, but Tim is ignorant and clueless

Brohamers is wrong, db guys are wrong and so and so on and so on

[Tim Y]

Originally Posted by Charlie D

My evidence is contained on these pages

Everyone, but Tim is ignorant and clueless

Brohamers is wrong, db guys are wrong and so and so on and so on

Nope, but some people actually provide evidence to prove their position not just opinion


Position is trumped by energy distribution and will continue to be as long as the sheep follow a single guru

Fellow at Paceadvantage PROVED, through dozens of examples, that TOO SLOW an EARLY pace can give false velocity and energy distribution readouts. Once these were independently reviewed, they proved to be correct. Evidence is the only way to prove a point