Something In Common - Page 2 - Pace and Cap

tompkins · 03-25-2007, 03:16 PM

A group tried to close the U.S. patent office with this same idea in the 1890's. "Well everything had been discoverd hadn't it?" Same here. Look back at this 10 years from today.

THINGS change, they always do. We learn more, find new corelations that had previously been unknown. One should never rest on the laurels of today and not try and push the envelope.

admin · 03-25-2007, 03:41 PM

Hi Tompkins
I never did anything in handcapping trying to be better than
anyone Except Me
All I care about is doing better each cycle
Ok so I can't post after the fact and say look I had this horse because
in this instance this worked ..... then the next race This worked
Thats your bag and its cool

By doing races over and over the same way I have learned that
the problem when I lose is either "crap happens"
or I just made a incorrect choice If I look too hard I
see nothing thats who I am

All I want is to have good 20 race cycles and win my money
I don't care who else has the horse

Bill

tompkins · 03-25-2007, 03:49 PM

My goodness. Didn't know anyone used them once they became competent.

Must have usefulness at some level.

Ah the temporal references again: as if time somehow changed correlations. It doesn't, never has never will.

admin · 03-25-2007, 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tompkins

A long time ago I took something written in the Follow Up to heart and have never looked back: EACH race is unique and to go after every one the same will bring you nothing but trouble. The programs are not a cook book and treating races that way is not too imaginative.

Funny how you take things out of the Follow up and its good for you
I do too. If you use the 20 race cycles correctly
the benifits are very powerful

I recommend studying them in a calm quiet relaxed mood
and they can be very encouraging

I have a very good example I will post it after my next race

Bill

shoeless · 03-25-2007, 07:45 PM

Hey Bill,You have nothing to prove just look what have done with this site and trying to help others become winners BEFORE THE RACE IS RUN.Jeff

froggy · 03-26-2007, 02:26 AM

Bill,

I think you're right to pick and chose the races that you think you can get a handle on and make a profit.
This is not a game to see how many races you can bet.
It is a business in which you get paid for correct decisions.
Not all decisions win even when they were the right ones to make. We all have to deal with racing luck good or bad.
And sometimes we can't foretell that Secretariat is going to be off his feed and loose to Onion today.

I don't do 20 race cycles any more. Instead I do two days at each track. I normally do all the races at a track for two days (approximately 18 races) then I record that on a 20 race form. This way I know which track is more profitable for me.

The 20 race cycle forms have proved to me that I could bet ever race and still be a winner. Not a very big winner but a winner never the less.
They do tell me how I am doing and why and what I need to do to increase profits.
If any business doesn't keep records they won't be in business long.
Its easy to forget your mistakes and remember your successes.

I also don't normally bet every race as I did Saturday. That was an aberration.
There are moments in time when my mind seems to get clear and in tune with how a race going to run.
That's all it was. I'm not really that good.

Keep up the good work and thanks for everything.

Froggy

admin · 03-26-2007, 03:34 AM

Hi Froggy

The 20 race cycle helps me in many ways
here are some things that I find helpful

1. I use them. It keeps me focused on improvement.
Win % is what I look for. And win price not so much
Sorry I am being honest. I will bet low odds horses
But I do split my bet 60/40 for the low odds guys

2. When I look to much for odds I do worse
When I look at my readouts and find the two horses i feel have the
best chance to win the race I bet them The nice prices come
on thier own

3. The cycles make it easy to know when things are going bad
Take a look at my last one I lost 6 races in a row betting 2 horses
after any three losses in a row I STOP betting READ FOLLOW UPS
Doc says always stop after 3 losses The 20 race cycle
shows me that doing this almost always works great
I had 2 stops in a row !!! Things were real bad In my head
I thought they were worse I cried to Richie I"M done !!!
But now looking at the whole cycle the second stop worked
Look at the results after the secondd stop

4. Always end on a win

5. I make a paper copy of each cycle I lye down when its quiet
and just focus on the wins. When I do this my confidence
gets better

6. I have 3 good cycles for every bad one
This one I just finished is very consistant for me
9 out of 20 and about $12.00 per win is what i usually get

here is my last cycle

Code:

 
 
         20 Race cycle
1. Loss 
2. Win     $18.60
3. Loss
4. loss
5. loss
       stop
6. loss
7. loss
8. loss
       stop
9. win      $7.80
10 Win      $6.00 
11 win      $9.00
12 loss
13 Win      $15.20
14 loss
15 Win      $25.60
16 Win      $12.00
17 loss
18 Win      $8.00
19 loss     
20 Win      $8.80
number of wins         9
number of stops        2 
Win %                 45% 
Bet $80 (@2.00) won $111.40
Ave win =           $12.37

Bill

RichieP · 03-26-2007, 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by admin

Hi Froggy

The 20 race cycle helps me in many ways
here are some things that I find helpful

1. I use them. It keeps me focused on improvement.
Win % is what I look for. And win price not so much
Sorry I am being honest. I will bet low odds horses
But I do split my bet 60/40 for the low odds guys

2. When I look to much for odds I do worse
When I look at my readouts and find the two horses i feel have the
best chance to win the race I bet them The nice prices come
on thier own

3. The cycles make it easy to know when things are going bad
Take a look at my last one I lost 6 races in a row betting 2 horses
after any three losses in a row I STOP betting READ FOLLOW UPS
Doc says always stop after 3 losses The 20 race cycle
shows me that doing this almost always works great
I had 2 stops in a row !!! Things were real bad In my head
I thought they were worse I cried to Richie I"M done !!!
But now looking at the whole cycle the second stop worked
Look at the results after the secondd stop

4. Always end on a win

5. I make a paper copy of each cycle I lye down when its quiet
and just focus on the wins. When I do this my confidence
gets better

6. I have 3 good cycles for every bad one
This one I just finished is very consistant for me
9 out of 20 and about $12.00 per win is what i usually get

here is my last cycle

Code:

 
 
         20 Race cycle
1. Loss 
2. Win     $18.60
3. Loss
4. loss
5. loss
       stop
6. loss
7. loss
8. loss
       stop
9. win      $7.80
10 Win      $6.00 
11 win      $9.00
12 loss
13 Win      $15.20
14 loss
15 Win      $25.60
16 Win      $12.00
17 loss
18 Win      $8.00
19 loss     
20 Win      $8.80
number of wins         9
number of stops        2 
Win %                 45% 
Bet $80 (@2.00) won $111.40
Ave win =           $12.37

Bill

Bill
That's terrific work!

40% ROI is something to be very proud of.

Your HONESTY in laying out both the good and the bad streaks that are part of the game we play are refreshing.

Salute

Richie

tom · 03-31-2007, 01:23 AM

20 race cycles.....why would you not use them to track your performance?
Has nothing to do with competency at all. Anyone in manufacturing knows you have to not only prove your process's competency (capability) to your cutomers, you have to prove day to day control. It's required in all the manufacturing standards...ISO, QS, Aerospace standards.....just plain comomn sense to track progress and review it.

I track the number of wins per 20- races and also the roi for that group.

03-25-2007, 03:16 PM	#11
tompkins Grade 1 Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 708	It is never all known A group tried to close the U.S. patent office with this same idea in the 1890's. "Well everything had been discoverd hadn't it?" Same here. Look back at this 10 years from today. THINGS change, they always do. We learn more, find new corelations that had previously been unknown. One should never rest on the laurels of today and not try and push the envelope. __________________ velocititian

03-25-2007, 03:41 PM	#12
admin Administrator Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,643	Winning Hi Tompkins I never did anything in handcapping trying to be better than anyone Except Me All I care about is doing better each cycle Ok so I can't post after the fact and say look I had this horse because in this instance this worked ..... then the next race This worked Thats your bag and its cool By doing races over and over the same way I have learned that the problem when I lose is either "crap happens" or I just made a incorrect choice If I look too hard I see nothing thats who I am All I want is to have good 20 race cycles and win my money I don't care who else has the horse Bill

03-25-2007, 03:49 PM	#13
tompkins Grade 1 Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 708	still at those 20's? My goodness. Didn't know anyone used them once they became competent. Must have usefulness at some level. Ah the temporal references again: as if time somehow changed correlations. It doesn't, never has never will. __________________ velocititian Last edited by tompkins; 03-25-2007 at 03:55 PM.

03-26-2007, 03:34 AM	#17
admin Administrator Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,643	20 race cycle Hi Froggy The 20 race cycle helps me in many ways here are some things that I find helpful 1. I use them. It keeps me focused on improvement. Win % is what I look for. And win price not so much Sorry I am being honest. I will bet low odds horses But I do split my bet 60/40 for the low odds guys 2. When I look to much for odds I do worse When I look at my readouts and find the two horses i feel have the best chance to win the race I bet them The nice prices come on thier own 3. The cycles make it easy to know when things are going bad Take a look at my last one I lost 6 races in a row betting 2 horses after any three losses in a row I STOP betting READ FOLLOW UPS Doc says always stop after 3 losses The 20 race cycle shows me that doing this almost always works great I had 2 stops in a row !!! Things were real bad In my head I thought they were worse I cried to Richie I"M done !!! But now looking at the whole cycle the second stop worked Look at the results after the secondd stop 4. Always end on a win 5. I make a paper copy of each cycle I lye down when its quiet and just focus on the wins. When I do this my confidence gets better 6. I have 3 good cycles for every bad one This one I just finished is very consistant for me 9 out of 20 and about $12.00 per win is what i usually get here is my last cycle Code: 20 Race cycle 1. Loss 2. Win $18.60 3. Loss 4. loss 5. loss stop 6. loss 7. loss 8. loss stop 9. win $7.80 10 Win $6.00 11 win $9.00 12 loss 13 Win $15.20 14 loss 15 Win $25.60 16 Win $12.00 17 loss 18 Win $8.00 19 loss 20 Win $8.80 number of wins 9 number of stops 2 Win % 45% Bet $80 (@2.00) won $111.40 Ave win = $12.37 Bill

03-25-2007, 07:45 PM	#15
shoeless Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,644	Hey Bill,You have nothing to prove just look what have done with this site and trying to help others become winners BEFORE THE RACE IS RUN.Jeff

03-26-2007, 02:26 AM	#16
froggy Grade 1 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Bullhead City Az Posts: 921	Bill, I think you're right to pick and chose the races that you think you can get a handle on and make a profit. This is not a game to see how many races you can bet. It is a business in which you get paid for correct decisions. Not all decisions win even when they were the right ones to make. We all have to deal with racing luck good or bad. And sometimes we can't foretell that Secretariat is going to be off his feed and loose to Onion today. I don't do 20 race cycles any more. Instead I do two days at each track. I normally do all the races at a track for two days (approximately 18 races) then I record that on a 20 race form. This way I know which track is more profitable for me. The 20 race cycle forms have proved to me that I could bet ever race and still be a winner. Not a very big winner but a winner never the less. They do tell me how I am doing and why and what I need to do to increase profits. If any business doesn't keep records they won't be in business long. Its easy to forget your mistakes and remember your successes. I also don't normally bet every race as I did Saturday. That was an aberration. There are moments in time when my mind seems to get clear and in tune with how a race going to run. That's all it was. I'm not really that good. Keep up the good work and thanks for everything. Froggy

03-31-2007, 01:23 AM	#19
tom Grade 1 Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 644	20 race cycles.....why would you not use them to track your performance? Has nothing to do with competency at all. Anyone in manufacturing knows you have to not only prove your process's competency (capability) to your cutomers, you have to prove day to day control. It's required in all the manufacturing standards...ISO, QS, Aerospace standards.....just plain comomn sense to track progress and review it. I track the number of wins per 20- races and also the roi for that group.