Val 3 "Live Race" Step by Step Dmr 8/1 - Page 2 - Pace and Cap

RichieP · 08-01-2005, 11:17 AM

Ok we have finished picking lines so now here is the 3 screen that I hide from

we have 2 lines on # 1 as you see line 3 is better both "primary" AND "supp" so I will use that line

RichieP · 08-01-2005, 11:20 AM

ok Now here is the 3 screen . As you see I am gonna delete these three guys they are the WORST 3 in total energy, primary line score and supp line score

Good bye

RichieP · 08-01-2005, 11:22 AM

Ok now we have our top 5 primary line score and top 5 total energy horses

we will move on to the next screen as my hiding from THIS screen stops here ok?

RichieP · 08-01-2005, 11:24 AM

Here is the e/l graph of our contenders

RichieP · 08-01-2005, 11:25 AM

Here is the v/dc screen

RichieP · 08-01-2005, 11:34 AM

Finally the bl/bl screen the big "classy" # 8 is ranked 4th. Win or lose I can not bet this race fast enough.

My top ranked # 1 has a 6 and a half point edge on line score OBVIOUS first bet for ME.

Take a look at Tier 3 please I have the # 7 who is 15/1 ML

Tier 3 is MY bomb tier Do NOT know what is gonna happen BUT this race is PERFECT readout wise for ME.

1) The big fav is NO giant readout wise.
2) My top ranked guy is my low odds bet with STANDOUT readouts.
3) I have a BOMB in MY bomb tier which is THREE.

My win bets are the # 1 and # 7

Richie

Phase III Lives · 08-01-2005, 12:23 PM

much appreciated Richie ...

Phase III Lives · 08-01-2005, 12:50 PM

damn - i made my post after just reading your pace line selections .... the rest is awesome... No disrespect to anyone else, but this is the most helpful post I have seen.... Binder - as you know I don't use VAL - so until now I didn't realize that the Line scores that you had mentioned (over and again)were totalled for you... I had thought that through some model you were you all were using that a particular LS was better than another...I know now my questions must have seemed crazy.

I hope this bet works great for you and propels you in the contents.

Ok I do have one question - what is the LS/SUPP readouts ?

RichieP · 08-01-2005, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phase III Lives

damn - i made my post after just reading your pace line selections .... the rest is awesome... No disrespect to anyone else, but this is the most helpful post I have seen.... Binder - as you know I don't use VAL - so until now I didn't realize that the Line scores that you had mentioned (over and again)were totalled for you... I had thought that through some model you were you all were using that a particular LS was better than another...I know now my questions must have seemed crazy.

I hope this bet works great for you and propels you in the contents.

Ok I do have one question - what is the LS/SUPP readouts ?

Hi Jeff
Ok glad this is helping man. I am attaching a screen shot again of the bl/bl screen where you can see the "prim" and "supp" factors

Your questions:

1) The "LS" or line score readout is the Primary factors of the program totalled with LOW being best.
EPR
LPR
CPR- Very similar to SP readouts on older programs ok?
TT
HE- Hidden energy- 2nd and 3rd fractions
FW
FX

2) "Supp" are these supplementary readouts

SPN- Sartin pace #
FX- also in "primary"
ENT- Deceleration rank - different formula used in Spec
TS- True Speed
TPP- Total Pace Potential

The GUIDELINES for hiding from the body of the race are to hide ONE at a time from the highest rankings of "PRIMARY LS" AND " TOTAL ENERGY".

You have to work races to get a feel for this Jeff and no one is perfect

I hope this helps

Now If I could figure out how to set up a modeling spreadsheet in Excel I would be thrilled I just found I can NOT print this modeling tool from another program and I don't really know how to use Excel.

One of the biggest things MISSING from the Validator and Speculator series of programs is the ABSENCE of in program modeling

I really have NO clue why the modeling features of synthesis were dropped.

Richie

Phase III Lives · 08-01-2005, 01:49 PM

You are right about doing the races - then it will all come together ... but I wanted to follow and learn from you other readouts... Your definitions are extremely helpful ... I feel hurt that SP was changed.... that is one of my primary readouts...

Ok - I have my own Profile maker - which I cannot let you have ... (I will tell you privately why) But I can take what I have and make an excel spreadsheet out of it that will help you model (or anyone else) certain readouts.

Give me some guidelines:

Here's what I suggest and can do...

Have a separate sheet for each TRK/DIST/Surface (if you prefer you can separate classes - just let me know).

I can give you an overall average or median of a particular factor.
average : if you have 1,1,1,4,5 = 12/5 = 2.4
median : midpoint of a group of numbers. 1,1,1,4,5 = 1
or both if you like

I can also have a column next to each factor that gives you a median or average of last 3,5,7,9 races - whatever you tell me. [This in addition to a row at the bottom that gives you an overall average/median - mentioned above]

You can also instead of ranking, you could use difference from the best which I prefer, but takes longer (a little). Median or average.

btw - I like median since a stray 5 or 2 stray 5's dont affect a median as much as in the average.

you can also have an odds column where you can see where your higher odds horses fall.

We can work this in stages if you like. And it won't hurt my feelings if you'd rather not use it, although I will try to make it as user friendly as I can.

Jeff

08-01-2005, 11:22 AM	#13
RichieP Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 7,019	Ok now we have our top 5 primary line score and top 5 total energy horses we will move on to the next screen as my hiding from THIS screen stops here ok? Last edited by RichieP; 08-01-2005 at 11:39 AM.

08-01-2005, 11:17 AM	#11
RichieP Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 7,019	Ok we have finished picking lines so now here is the 3 screen that I hide from we have 2 lines on # 1 as you see line 3 is better both "primary" AND "supp" so I will use that line

08-01-2005, 11:20 AM	#12
RichieP Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 7,019	ok Now here is the 3 screen . As you see I am gonna delete these three guys they are the WORST 3 in total energy, primary line score and supp line score Good bye

08-01-2005, 11:24 AM	#14
RichieP Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 7,019	Here is the e/l graph of our contenders

08-01-2005, 11:25 AM	#15
RichieP Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 7,019	Here is the v/dc screen

08-01-2005, 11:34 AM	#16
RichieP Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 7,019	Finally the bl/bl screen the big "classy" # 8 is ranked 4th. Win or lose I can not bet this race fast enough. My top ranked # 1 has a 6 and a half point edge on line score OBVIOUS first bet for ME. Take a look at Tier 3 please I have the # 7 who is 15/1 ML Tier 3 is MY bomb tier Do NOT know what is gonna happen BUT this race is PERFECT readout wise for ME. 1) The big fav is NO giant readout wise. 2) My top ranked guy is my low odds bet with STANDOUT readouts. 3) I have a BOMB in MY bomb tier which is THREE. My win bets are the # 1 and # 7 Richie

08-01-2005, 12:23 PM	#17
Phase III Lives Grade 2 Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Southern Md Posts: 94	much appreciated Richie ...

08-01-2005, 12:50 PM	#18
Phase III Lives Grade 2 Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Southern Md Posts: 94	damn - i made my post after just reading your pace line selections .... the rest is awesome... No disrespect to anyone else, but this is the most helpful post I have seen.... Binder - as you know I don't use VAL - so until now I didn't realize that the Line scores that you had mentioned (over and again)were totalled for you... I had thought that through some model you were you all were using that a particular LS was better than another...I know now my questions must have seemed crazy. I hope this bet works great for you and propels you in the contents. Ok I do have one question - what is the LS/SUPP readouts ?

08-01-2005, 01:49 PM	#20
Phase III Lives Grade 2 Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Southern Md Posts: 94	You are right about doing the races - then it will all come together ... but I wanted to follow and learn from you other readouts... Your definitions are extremely helpful ... I feel hurt that SP was changed.... that is one of my primary readouts... Ok - I have my own Profile maker - which I cannot let you have ... (I will tell you privately why) But I can take what I have and make an excel spreadsheet out of it that will help you model (or anyone else) certain readouts. Give me some guidelines: Here's what I suggest and can do... Have a separate sheet for each TRK/DIST/Surface (if you prefer you can separate classes - just let me know). I can give you an overall average or median of a particular factor. average : if you have 1,1,1,4,5 = 12/5 = 2.4 median : midpoint of a group of numbers. 1,1,1,4,5 = 1 or both if you like I can also have a column next to each factor that gives you a median or average of last 3,5,7,9 races - whatever you tell me. [This in addition to a row at the bottom that gives you an overall average/median - mentioned above] You can also instead of ranking, you could use difference from the best which I prefer, but takes longer (a little). Median or average. btw - I like median since a stray 5 or 2 stray 5's dont affect a median as much as in the average. you can also have an odds column where you can see where your higher odds horses fall. We can work this in stages if you like. And it won't hurt my feelings if you'd rather not use it, although I will try to make it as user friendly as I can. Jeff