History of the Methodology

[Lt1]

Thanks for the kind words Bill. You, as well as Ted, deserve a lot of credit for your contributions to the forum. I truly believe that we have many talented people in the group and hope they will join the discussions. I'm sure Doc and Jimmy and all the early teaching members would be proud of the work done by both you and Ted and all those who have interacted on the forum. It does take work to accomplish ones goals but it is well worth it.
Tim G

[shoeless]

Just to let the folks out there know if you don't already Bill V is no
slouch either when it comes to getting the winners

I have seen him first hand hit over 60% winners on many occasions and
doing so with ALL of the Sartin programs

[Lt1]

Hi Pook. I joined in 1990 so the group was already established. I attended my first seminar later that year at SAR where I met Doc and Jimmy B for the first time. I also met Mitch44 who was a newbie like me. We lived in adjoining states so we exchanged phone #s. We still speak several times a week although he has moved. Both of us used almost every program the Doc came out with. We struggled over the years. Most of our problem were with adjustments. Nothing like losing to make one strive harder. After a while we got up to win % of 53. We played every type of race plus exs and tris. One day Mitch called and stated he had done a survey of his bets and discovered that if he refrained from betting most mdn and turf races his % went up to 65%. I did same test and reach the same conclusions. If I stayed away from races with multiple unknowns and cut down on exotics I could indeed reach the desired 63% range while increasing profits. By staying mostly to races for older horses on the dirt I found very consistent results. I play Parx a lot along with other tracks that card the races I look for. I still play selected turf and mdn races ie those with minimum questions. I will also play daily doubles and selected exactas. I am not a matcher in the way Jimmy taught[he offered to teach me but I couldn't get the time to visit Okla]. I rely on proper contender and predictive paceline selections and record keeping and let RDSS do the rest. Like every one else I have my weak area and that's turf races. I've gotten better but still have work to do. I wouldn't be discourage if you are not at the level you wish to be. It took Mitch and myself a great deal of time, effort and loses to get to the level we now enjoy.I honestly don't know any winner who hasn't gone thru the University of Hard Knocks and didn't think about throwing in the towel. Fortunately I was dumb enough to be stubborn and finally broke thru. I wish you good skill and I believe you can do it with continued hard work.
Tim G

[Tim Y]

Best description of how to do this: You find your own way after keeping at it for years.

[The Pook]

TimY. You probably don't remember me but you were the guy that got me into RDSS back in 2012. I asked a question from the audience in the seminar you gave on the Sartin Methodology at Woodbine. I asked what your ROI was and you replied 30% over the past three years. You didn't say how you achieved that with win or exotic wagering or whatever, but I thought at the time that that would be good enough for me. That was when I met Ted also.

I didn't really immerse myself into this website etc. until a couple of years later. I had been aware of the Methodology for quite a while but didn't have the time. But it was your seminar that set me on this path.

Thought you'd like to know that. Thanks to you and all the others who share their insights and experiences in this forum. It all helps.

Pook

[Tim Y]

Originally Posted by The Pook

TimY. You probably don't remember me but you were the guy that got me into RDSS back in 2012.

Pook

Neat. I hope you find in this method, what FINALLY hit me after a few HARD conscientious years of practice.....

It keeps evolving for me and that is the greatest DRAW....BUT I still say that WAGER CREATION remains the toughest part of the game: THINKING like a gambler NOT a handicapper is key.

[mowens33]

Tim Y, wager creation is my Achilles heel, can you please elaborate on your last comment?

THINKING like a gambler NOT a handicapper is key.

Thanks, Mike

[turtleman]

This is such a great topic. I believe one of the traps in hdcping is everything is focused on picking the winner. There was even a guy who wrote a book about it. In our metrology the talk is 63% winners picking 2 horses to win. When I starting doing a track profile for Hawthorne I did it for win,plc, show and forth, and what struck me was that not only was i looking for the running stile of winners, I was looking for anomalies, something that not everyone would pick up.
i sometimes try to change thought patterns by using little phrases that keep me focused . So I am going to print out this phrase and tape it beside my computer. " I AM NOT LOOKING FOR THE BEST HORSE, I AM LOOKING FOR THE BEST BET!!

Tom

[Tim Y]

Originally Posted by turtleman

So I am going to print out this phrase and tape it beside my computer. " I AM NOT LOOKING FOR THE BEST HORSE, I AM LOOKING FOR THE BEST BET!!

Tom

Perfect I went through about 5 packs of post it notes reminding myself about the use of the early/late balance that SAME WAY.

BRAVO as ultimately we are Wagering NOT JUST HANDICAPPING.

I am just these past weeks reviewing the entire Woodbine season: NO surprise that every year the last 5 or so programs have NO LOGIC at all....BUT November 18th was a day to remember. That worked out better overall than on a day, 4 years ago, I SWEPT THE ENTIRE CARD AT WOODBINE!




Did I forget to tell you that we cancelled due to high wind after 3 races? Hmmmm I still SWEPT THAT CARD!!!.

[MikeB]

Originally Posted by Tim Y

BRAVO as ultimately we are Wagering NOT JUST HANDICAPPING.

Seems to me I read somewhere, maybe in one of the Follow Ups, that you should not concentrate on which horse should win, but which horses could win. Anyone remember that?