Lemon seed ranking - Pace and Cap

Bill V. · 12-06-2008, 01:38 AM

Just to let everybody know what is up with the lemon
I had a nice meeting with Richie today at lunchtime.
I told him how much I admire Marion Jones
If your a newer user of the Methodology Marion Jones was a teaching member of the pirco.
Doc Sartin spoke at the 91 Las Vegas
seminar about how he and Jim Bradshaw would make programs
and send them to Marion in San Diego. They would just send
him a disk, no instructions. He would just put the program in and figure it out.
I admire Marion. I spoke to Doc awile ago and he told me my biggest
holdup to better 20 race cycles was that at some point in the cycle
I loose focus. To battle this problem and to stay focused on what the methodology is
What I do is break out one of any of my Sartin programs and just use that program .Not the way
I use RDSS or how I used to use Val 4 or what ever.
I need to put myself into that period of the methodology
I become a different person I need to change my state of mind to focus to feel it
You might remember Ragon. That is me with KGEN
I learned to win from reading the follow ups that
were written when KGEN was the program of the methodology
To be totally into each program I need to change my state of
mind. I need to become a new client, When I reached into
my bag of programs and pulled out Entropy I became lemon
Lemon uses Entropy Lemon does not own any other program
so Lemon does not freak out after a loss and say what happens
when I use EXDC or Energy or KGEN or RDSS or Val 4
Once I get into a program I need to be in that state in my mind.
Like Marion I want to learn what Doc wants me to do to win with this program , I want to be like Marion
just send me the program The Sartin Methodology
will make it work

Here is my work up of Race 6 from Rich's Delta races
from Friday night I did not bet this race I wanted to
but as they say When you snooze you lose
It was a long week and my nap turned into passing out
any way
Here is the race
I picked a line for each horse
I use what I call the Lemon Speed Rating method
to be cute i call it the lemon seed rating !
because I rank or seed if you will each speed rating
Again This is a variation of what I would do if I
used the DRF and hand entered lines as folks did in 1991
Today I send my lines over from RDSS so I have no
Beyer numbers and DRF SR + TV
Doc teaches this method in the 91 Lets get serious
seminar tapes and in the follow ups like 35 - 40
I use the Ajd TM speed ratings and the Track master
net speed ratings
here is a screen shot of this race and the calculations

Bill V. · 12-06-2008, 01:53 AM

Now In this race I see horses from different tracks, surfaces, and distances The top 5 horse ( the 5 with the lowest total line seedings ) I send the 5
lines Adjusted to Entropy When I do races and there is not a lot a variation
I send the races raw its a call I make each race .

without going thruogh all the screens I use here
Lets just get to the Dcv Sort

I opened up the readouts and hand typed each of the 5
readouts Ep P He TD and PM / relative to velocity/deceration
Warning these readouts The highest numbers are the best
but the ranking of the highest numbers gets a 1 a 2 and so on
so the total lines score of the rankings is added together
and then low is best Now back in 1991 the methodology
guidelines were bet your top two Not THE top two
but the Your to two

For me I will bet the two lowest linescore (here low is best)
that would be # 2 and 4
The 2 won and paid $16.00

Thanks Bill/lemon

shoeless · 12-06-2008, 07:38 AM

Bill,Great job as always explaining things in a simple manner for all to understand.Jeff

MIKE · 12-07-2008, 11:19 AM

---Are you saying that you are LEMON and RAGON ???

Bill V. · 12-07-2008, 12:27 PM

Yes Mike
I use RDSS Ragon uses KGEN
Lemon- Entropy
Its all me in different mind sets

No matter what, I am me and I'm just a student of The Sartin Methodology
Bill

shoeless · 12-07-2008, 01:44 PM

Mike,You shouldnt be surprised there are others here as well with assumed idenities,at least Bill was man enough to fess up.Jeff

partsnut · 12-07-2008, 02:50 PM

shoeless:

Quote:

Mike,You shouldnt be surprised there are others here as well with assumed idenities,at least Bill was man enough to fess up.Jeff

Jeff, I think you missed your vocation. You are very dis-compensating and
an absolver of sins.

However, the absolvetion of a sin does not justify it's intent or it's victims.
Many serial killer confess their sins but it can't undo the damage done to others.

Now you are saying what I said some time back. The truth will always come out.

To me dual identities and personalities are not healthy. It eludes to mental issues.
I believe it is best to be your own person. You have to be honest with yourself before you can be honest with others.

Bill V. · 12-07-2008, 02:58 PM

It was not my intent to hurt

For my intent was and has always been In anything and to anything Ihave ever added was to help people perhaps win while using the Sartin methodology
To be thought of as you feel Bill H. Well I can not, I have failed
What I have added has help others but I have failed
I am very sorry

Bill

shoeless · 12-07-2008, 05:10 PM

Bill,I wouldnt lose any sleep over it no need to apologize,I think Parts was taking more of a cut at me then you.Jeff

JimG · 12-07-2008, 05:46 PM

I think the Admin should make every reasonable effort to see that people are not posting under multiple id's. I suspect you could do that by ip address. It takes away a bit from the board for me to know that people would use multiple id's to post pretending to be somebody else. I know it happens on some of the cheesier boards, but I did not think that was going on here. Color me surprised.

12-06-2008, 01:38 AM	#1
Bill V. The egg man Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Carlsbad, California Posts: 10,005	Lemon seed ranking Just to let everybody know what is up with the lemon I had a nice meeting with Richie today at lunchtime. I told him how much I admire Marion Jones If your a newer user of the Methodology Marion Jones was a teaching member of the pirco. Doc Sartin spoke at the 91 Las Vegas seminar about how he and Jim Bradshaw would make programs and send them to Marion in San Diego. They would just send him a disk, no instructions. He would just put the program in and figure it out. I admire Marion. I spoke to Doc awile ago and he told me my biggest holdup to better 20 race cycles was that at some point in the cycle I loose focus. To battle this problem and to stay focused on what the methodology is What I do is break out one of any of my Sartin programs and just use that program .Not the way I use RDSS or how I used to use Val 4 or what ever. I need to put myself into that period of the methodology I become a different person I need to change my state of mind to focus to feel it You might remember Ragon. That is me with KGEN I learned to win from reading the follow ups that were written when KGEN was the program of the methodology To be totally into each program I need to change my state of mind. I need to become a new client, When I reached into my bag of programs and pulled out Entropy I became lemon Lemon uses Entropy Lemon does not own any other program so Lemon does not freak out after a loss and say what happens when I use EXDC or Energy or KGEN or RDSS or Val 4 Once I get into a program I need to be in that state in my mind. Like Marion I want to learn what Doc wants me to do to win with this program , I want to be like Marion just send me the program The Sartin Methodology will make it work Here is my work up of Race 6 from Rich's Delta races from Friday night I did not bet this race I wanted to but as they say When you snooze you lose It was a long week and my nap turned into passing out any way Here is the race I picked a line for each horse I use what I call the Lemon Speed Rating method to be cute i call it the lemon seed rating ! because I rank or seed if you will each speed rating Again This is a variation of what I would do if I used the DRF and hand entered lines as folks did in 1991 Today I send my lines over from RDSS so I have no Beyer numbers and DRF SR + TV Doc teaches this method in the 91 Lets get serious seminar tapes and in the follow ups like 35 - 40 I use the Ajd TM speed ratings and the Track master net speed ratings here is a screen shot of this race and the calculations Attached Images Last edited by Bill V.; 12-06-2008 at 02:03 AM.

12-06-2008, 01:53 AM	#2
Bill V. The egg man Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Carlsbad, California Posts: 10,005	Lemon Seed Now In this race I see horses from different tracks, surfaces, and distances The top 5 horse ( the 5 with the lowest total line seedings ) I send the 5 lines Adjusted to Entropy When I do races and there is not a lot a variation I send the races raw its a call I make each race . without going thruogh all the screens I use here Lets just get to the Dcv Sort I opened up the readouts and hand typed each of the 5 readouts Ep P He TD and PM / relative to velocity/deceration Warning these readouts The highest numbers are the best but the ranking of the highest numbers gets a 1 a 2 and so on so the total lines score of the rankings is added together and then low is best Now back in 1991 the methodology guidelines were bet your top two Not THE top two but the Your to two For me I will bet the two lowest linescore (here low is best) that would be # 2 and 4 The 2 won and paid $16.00 Thanks Bill/lemon Attached Images

12-07-2008, 11:19 AM	#4
MIKE Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Rochester NY Posts: 196	Bill ---Are you saying that you are LEMON and RAGON ???

12-07-2008, 12:27 PM	#5
Bill V. The egg man Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Carlsbad, California Posts: 10,005	Yes Yes Mike I use RDSS Ragon uses KGEN Lemon- Entropy Its all me in different mind sets No matter what, I am me and I'm just a student of The Sartin Methodology Bill

12-07-2008, 02:58 PM	#8
Bill V. The egg man Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Carlsbad, California Posts: 10,005	Not It was not my intent to hurt For my intent was and has always been In anything and to anything Ihave ever added was to help people perhaps win while using the Sartin methodology To be thought of as you feel Bill H. Well I can not, I have failed What I have added has help others but I have failed I am very sorry Bill

12-06-2008, 07:38 AM	#3
shoeless Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,610	Bill,Great job as always explaining things in a simple manner for all to understand.Jeff

12-07-2008, 01:44 PM	#6
shoeless Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,610	Mike,You shouldnt be surprised there are others here as well with assumed idenities,at least Bill was man enough to fess up.Jeff

12-07-2008, 05:10 PM	#9
shoeless Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,610	Bill,I wouldnt lose any sleep over it no need to apologize,I think Parts was taking more of a cut at me then you.Jeff

12-07-2008, 05:46 PM	#10
JimG Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 992	I think the Admin should make every reasonable effort to see that people are not posting under multiple id's. I suspect you could do that by ip address. It takes away a bit from the board for me to know that people would use multiple id's to post pretending to be somebody else. I know it happens on some of the cheesier boards, but I did not think that was going on here. Color me surprised.