Still Here - Pace and Cap

Bill V. · 10-09-2010, 03:34 PM

Hi I just want to clarify some issues
I have not left Pace and Cap I have been invited on another forum
to offer some of my feelings about the Sartin Methodology

Ted and I have some difference of opinion on some -not all- matters of the
Sartin Methodology Nothing more needs to be read into that.

Its a bad thing when two people see things in different ways
It makes people think and sometimes say things they probably wish they had not.

I admire the work Ted has done I was given a nice offer to help out on
anther board That is all there is to it.

GS
Bill V.

mikesal57 · 10-10-2010, 08:52 AM

Bill..

Good to hear that!!

And if everyone 's the same this world would be boring

We all need each other and what they have to offer to better our selves

Your a good guy and a icon to Pace and Cap!!

So hold your head up high and be proud

Mike

barb craven · 10-10-2010, 10:57 AM

Bill, it saddens me to see you and Ted at loggerheads. You are both good people, one as my son and one as my friend, both as my teachers.
I know you are both ardent followers of 'Doc", but as each of us differs in our way of thinking and of processing ideas, each must take from Doc's teachings what works best for themselves. As Mike says, the world would be a boring place if we all thought the same way.
We all learn much from both of you. Please, just say we differ in our approach, but are coming from the same place, and carry on. We need all the help we can get from both of you and from others such as FTL.
For myself, I've found your posts of great value when you post from your own insite Bill. You have so much to offer. Please carry on with posting your races and how you arrive at the winners. I like those notes you put on your screen shots. They are very informative.
Barb

Ted Craven · 10-10-2010, 01:36 PM

Bill,

Please clarify something you wrote on another website:

"Past actions that made me give up my own forum. I was bullied into actions that I was not happy with but I gave in to a person who has different ideas on what Howard Sartin asked me to do for him."

Bill, it is not bad when people see things in different ways - it is inevitable, since people are different, have different histories, inspirations and aspirations. The key to a functional community is respect for different opinions. I will accept the job of being final arbiter of just how different those opinions can be before they are challenged or removed. But I think I have a pretty fair-minded approach (though anyone can take me to task for this).

Thank you for saying you admire my work. It goes without saying that I also admire your many contributions here over the years, and hope that they continue for many more.

Ted

Bill V. · 10-10-2010, 01:50 PM

Ted did not bully me to give up pace and cap. Ted is admin of pace and cap becuase I thought he would do a good job. We agreed on what Howard Sartin would want pace and cap to be i
I disagree with Ted on some matters. . As admin of pace and cap I had the terrible job of banning people i gave up pace and cap. Because I hated that job. The last thing I did as admin
of pace and cap was to reinstate everybody who I had banned. Nobdy made me do this either
I did what I thought was the right thing. Ted is admin of pace and cap i we just had a long phone call he and I agree to disagree on some issues but it's a all good in my mind
Thanks. Bill

SilentRun · 10-10-2010, 04:22 PM

Quote:

I like those notes you put on your screen shots. They are very informative.
Barb

I like them also...How do you do it ?

Ernie

nomorebocci · 10-11-2010, 03:02 PM

Bill, nice gentlemen's agreement between you and Ted. Good luck in your new advisory capacity. Love, Pop

10-09-2010, 03:34 PM	#1
Bill V. The egg man Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Carlsbad, California Posts: 10,005	Still Here Hi I just want to clarify some issues I have not left Pace and Cap I have been invited on another forum to offer some of my feelings about the Sartin Methodology Ted and I have some difference of opinion on some -not all- matters of the Sartin Methodology Nothing more needs to be read into that. Its a bad thing when two people see things in different ways It makes people think and sometimes say things they probably wish they had not. I admire the work Ted has done I was given a nice offer to help out on anther board That is all there is to it. GS Bill V.

10-10-2010, 08:52 AM	#2
mikesal57 Grade 1 Join Date: May 2008 Location: Staten Island, NY Posts: 3,952	Bill.. Good to hear that!! And if everyone 's the same this world would be boring We all need each other and what they have to offer to better our selves Your a good guy and a icon to Pace and Cap!! So hold your head up high and be proud Mike __________________ Never bet a favorite doing something for the first time-Harvey Pack

10-10-2010, 10:57 AM	#3
barb craven Grade 1 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Bobcaygeon,On,Canada Posts: 1,316	Bill, it saddens me to see you and Ted at loggerheads. You are both good people, one as my son and one as my friend, both as my teachers. I know you are both ardent followers of 'Doc", but as each of us differs in our way of thinking and of processing ideas, each must take from Doc's teachings what works best for themselves. As Mike says, the world would be a boring place if we all thought the same way. We all learn much from both of you. Please, just say we differ in our approach, but are coming from the same place, and carry on. We need all the help we can get from both of you and from others such as FTL. For myself, I've found your posts of great value when you post from your own insite Bill. You have so much to offer. Please carry on with posting your races and how you arrive at the winners. I like those notes you put on your screen shots. They are very informative. Barb __________________ Listen...Learn...Stay Safe.

10-10-2010, 01:36 PM	#4
Ted Craven Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Nanaimo, British Columbia, Canada Posts: 9,241	Bill, Please clarify something you wrote on another website: "Past actions that made me give up my own forum. I was bullied into actions that I was not happy with but I gave in to a person who has different ideas on what Howard Sartin asked me to do for him." Bill, it is not bad when people see things in different ways - it is inevitable, since people are different, have different histories, inspirations and aspirations. The key to a functional community is respect for different opinions. I will accept the job of being final arbiter of just how different those opinions can be before they are challenged or removed. But I think I have a pretty fair-minded approach (though anyone can take me to task for this). Thank you for saying you admire my work. It goes without saying that I also admire your many contributions here over the years, and hope that they continue for many more. Ted __________________ RDSS - Racing Decision Support System™

10-10-2010, 01:50 PM	#5
Bill V. The egg man Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Carlsbad, California Posts: 10,005	no Ted did not bully me to give up pace and cap. Ted is admin of pace and cap becuase I thought he would do a good job. We agreed on what Howard Sartin would want pace and cap to be i I disagree with Ted on some matters. . As admin of pace and cap I had the terrible job of banning people i gave up pace and cap. Because I hated that job. The last thing I did as admin of pace and cap was to reinstate everybody who I had banned. Nobdy made me do this either I did what I thought was the right thing. Ted is admin of pace and cap i we just had a long phone call he and I agree to disagree on some issues but it's a all good in my mind Thanks. Bill

10-11-2010, 03:02 PM	#7
nomorebocci Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 114	gentlemen's agreement Bill, nice gentlemen's agreement between you and Ted. Good luck in your new advisory capacity. Love, Pop