Tpr - Pace and Cap

gl45 · 01-12-2006, 04:11 PM

I need a complete Track Class for my TPR project example:

Level 1
Aqu
Bel
Dmr
Hol
Sa
Sar

Level 2
GP
Kee
OP

and so forth. I have some, but I do miss a bunch. If anyone does have a complete list, can you be so kind to e-mail to me.
Thank you
Pino

shoeless · 01-12-2006, 08:55 PM

Pino,I know you have been reading the book in your opinion will it be a viable way to get an idea of how the race will be run.Shoeless

socantra · 01-13-2006, 03:04 AM

Pino,

Here's the information out of the gpars.dbf in Val3, sorted by both name and class level. I played with it for a while, but gave up updating it after Guy said it wasn't used by Val or Spec. Its from sometime in the late 90's, so is somewhat out of date. It has LS and HOU, but not RET. Does have TRM and HIA, and some of the class levels look out of date.

The DRF used to put out a complete list of tracks ranked by purse value every year. If you can find that on their web site, or in a print copy, you might be able to cobble out an updated version without too much trouble.

dick...

gl45 · 01-13-2006, 07:44 AM

Dick,
Thank you,
Pino

gl45 · 01-13-2006, 08:19 AM

Jeff,
I think the concept of TPR is as good now as it was when first introduced. Doing the math can be tedious at times but that is a must if you want to understand it. This a complex game that require a lot of study. I like to crunch numbers to find out the reasoning behind the TPR's concepts or any other ideas out there. I think just pressing ENTER doesn't give me any winners. I'l keep you posted on the findings.
Pino

socantra · 01-13-2006, 10:52 AM

I'd have to agree that the TPR's are as good as ever. I think they are probably the best contender selection tool I've ever seen. Their simplicity makes them easy to grasp at a glance. Those numbers are the first thing I ever used that made me believe I could really be a winner at this game.

Please keep everyone posted on your progress. What are you using for track to track adjustment?

dick...

gl45 · 01-13-2006, 03:23 PM

Dick,
For track to track adjustment 2 methods combined:
1) 3 years best
2) Track class value
Track Variant is also computed from Paceline selected to determine how fast or slow the track was that day, 65% of the results are added to EPR and 35% added to FPR.
Pino

Guderian · 01-15-2006, 04:12 PM

The track class chart used in the Sartin programs comes from the Turf Monthly class rating chart. In the program the reversed the chart so a High class track has a 1 rating and on the Truf Monthly chart its a 10. I researched this awhile ago and found the agreement more than startling. I know Guy used their data to update the class chart when Colonial Downs opened up and it wasn't on the table. Some new tracks were added that are not included in the table mentioned. Just go to their site and check out the chart it's a good one. The also have a track equalization table but I don't know how good it is.

socantra · 01-15-2006, 04:42 PM

Are you referring to the Class chart that is on the Track equalization table. It seems to only have 4 levels; 10 on top, then 7, 4 and 1. Do they have another?

dick...

01-12-2006, 04:11 PM	#1
gl45 Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 878	Tpr I need a complete Track Class for my TPR project example: Level 1 Aqu Bel Dmr Hol Sa Sar Level 2 GP Kee OP and so forth. I have some, but I do miss a bunch. If anyone does have a complete list, can you be so kind to e-mail to me. Thank you Pino

01-15-2006, 04:12 PM	#8
Guderian AlwNW1X Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 7	Track Class chart The track class chart used in the Sartin programs comes from the Turf Monthly class rating chart. In the program the reversed the chart so a High class track has a 1 rating and on the Truf Monthly chart its a 10. I researched this awhile ago and found the agreement more than startling. I know Guy used their data to update the class chart when Colonial Downs opened up and it wasn't on the table. Some new tracks were added that are not included in the table mentioned. Just go to their site and check out the chart it's a good one. The also have a track equalization table but I don't know how good it is.

01-12-2006, 08:55 PM	#2
shoeless Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 4,651	Pino,I know you have been reading the book in your opinion will it be a viable way to get an idea of how the race will be run.Shoeless

01-13-2006, 07:44 AM	#4
gl45 Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 878	Dick, Thank you, Pino

01-13-2006, 08:19 AM	#5
gl45 Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 878	Jeff, I think the concept of TPR is as good now as it was when first introduced. Doing the math can be tedious at times but that is a must if you want to understand it. This a complex game that require a lot of study. I like to crunch numbers to find out the reasoning behind the TPR's concepts or any other ideas out there. I think just pressing ENTER doesn't give me any winners. I'l keep you posted on the findings. Pino

01-13-2006, 10:52 AM	#6
socantra Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Norman, OK Posts: 387	I'd have to agree that the TPR's are as good as ever. I think they are probably the best contender selection tool I've ever seen. Their simplicity makes them easy to grasp at a glance. Those numbers are the first thing I ever used that made me believe I could really be a winner at this game. Please keep everyone posted on your progress. What are you using for track to track adjustment? dick...

01-13-2006, 03:23 PM	#7
gl45 Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 878	Dick, For track to track adjustment 2 methods combined: 1) 3 years best 2) Track class value Track Variant is also computed from Paceline selected to determine how fast or slow the track was that day, 65% of the results are added to EPR and 35% added to FPR. Pino

01-15-2006, 04:42 PM	#9
socantra Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Norman, OK Posts: 387	Are you referring to the Class chart that is on the Track equalization table. It seems to only have 4 levels; 10 on top, then 7, 4 and 1. Do they have another? dick...