BLACK MAGIC ? Richie ? - Pace and Cap

MIKE1121 · 02-10-2008, 11:47 PM

Richie , is that you, who on Post time dailys discussion board ordered Pizzollas Black Magic program ? If so , I thought you were strictly a Match up player?

Mike.

RichieP · 02-11-2008, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MIKE1121

Richie , is that you, who on Post time dailys discussion board ordered Pizzollas Black Magic program ? If so , I thought you were strictly a Match up player?

Mike.

Hi Mike
I am "Shanta" on Ptd forum.

I've been familiar with Mikey's work for years man. One of the sharpest,hardest working cappers in the game today.

Richie

JimG · 02-11-2008, 04:29 PM

I'm not really familiar with Pizzolla's work but was very impressed with the DVD that Pizzolla sent out showcasing the Black Magic program. If I was currently using Handicapping Magician or the Master Handicapper, I would buy Black Magic in a heartbeat.

As far as match-up goes, while I am far from an expert, I would think you could incorporate the match-up into Black Magic just like you can with Ted Craven's RDSS.

Jim

MIKE1121 · 02-11-2008, 05:12 PM

Richie. It just surprised me that you would buy it given that you had a very good year ( 13,000) using the matchup and you have access to the best handicapping mind ( THE HAT ) ever to play this game.Mike P is a nice guy and maybe a very good player, but no one is close to the HAT.

I too recieved the DVD, It was well done, Mike P, is a very very good salesman, he has that special knack that is needed to sell. I did buy the Master Handicapper back in 1995 or 96, the oddsline approach never worked for me so I passed on future programs of his.

I guesse during bad streaks it maybe tempting to buy a new program. His black magic program even though he says its not a black box will be used by some people in that manner. To me it look like it would confuse me more than help me. For me the ideal program is one which removes the clutter in the drf and only shows the most important data and allows your mind to see the picture in a clear manner.

Mike.

Lefty · 02-12-2008, 11:49 AM

Richie, I looked for your post over tyhere but couldn't find it. Do I need to register to find it? Can you tell exactly where to look for it?
Thanks.

MIKE1121 · 02-12-2008, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimG

As far as match-up goes, while I am far from an expert, I would think you could incorporate the match-up into Black Magic just like you can with Ted Craven's RDSS.

Jim

Jim

Only going by the dvd and what I have read on this forum, I can't see how the 2 can be incorporated. The Black magic program is going to allow the user to choose among 3 or 4 set paceline selection modes, depending upon which of these you select you will get different pacelines. The matchup uses powerlines to select pacelines and whatelse is in the matchup book. Black magic uses something simular to TPR ( which ignores fraction 1 )where the matchup looks at the first fraction.The matchup doesn't look at final times or atleast pays little attention to it.

I am always willing to listen to someone who can show me how I maybe wrong.

JimG · 02-12-2008, 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MIKE1121

Jim

Only going by the dvd and what I have read on this forum, I can't see how the 2 can be incorporated. The Black magic program is going to allow the user to choose among 3 or 4 set paceline selection modes, depending upon which of these you select you will get different pacelines. The matchup uses powerlines to select pacelines and whatelse is in the matchup book. Black magic uses something simular to TPR ( which ignores fraction 1 )where the matchup looks at the first fraction.The matchup doesn't look at final times or atleast pays little attention to it.

I am always willing to listen to someone who can show me how I maybe wrong.

Mike,

Your probably right. I am far from an expert on the matchup and would have been better off not making the comment.

Jim

MIKE1121 · 02-12-2008, 05:19 PM

Me , either. This last month I have been humbled to the point where I doubt that I know anything.

I have never been at such a point of frustration. For 5 years now I have felt that I have been inches away from mastering this game just to find out that I am still inches away. With the economy the way it is and my personal financial situation I am now finding myself in need of making money at this game, breaking even is just wasting my time.

Mike.

don p · 02-12-2008, 07:07 PM

to mike, never think you don't know anything, i have been handicapping professionally just using the visual matchup since 1991, you will have many peaks and valley's.....it's in the valley's that you learn.

MIKE1121 · 02-13-2008, 01:01 AM

You are right, just stay positive, don't press and let it happen.

Mike.

02-10-2008, 11:47 PM	#1
MIKE1121 Grade 1 Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 131	BLACK MAGIC ? Richie ? Richie , is that you, who on Post time dailys discussion board ordered Pizzollas Black Magic program ? If so , I thought you were strictly a Match up player? Mike.

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02-11-2008, 04:29 PM	#3
JimG Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 992	I'm not really familiar with Pizzolla's work but was very impressed with the DVD that Pizzolla sent out showcasing the Black Magic program. If I was currently using Handicapping Magician or the Master Handicapper, I would buy Black Magic in a heartbeat. As far as match-up goes, while I am far from an expert, I would think you could incorporate the match-up into Black Magic just like you can with Ted Craven's RDSS. Jim

02-11-2008, 05:12 PM	#4
MIKE1121 Grade 1 Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 131	Richie. It just surprised me that you would buy it given that you had a very good year ( 13,000) using the matchup and you have access to the best handicapping mind ( THE HAT ) ever to play this game.Mike P is a nice guy and maybe a very good player, but no one is close to the HAT. I too recieved the DVD, It was well done, Mike P, is a very very good salesman, he has that special knack that is needed to sell. I did buy the Master Handicapper back in 1995 or 96, the oddsline approach never worked for me so I passed on future programs of his. I guesse during bad streaks it maybe tempting to buy a new program. His black magic program even though he says its not a black box will be used by some people in that manner. To me it look like it would confuse me more than help me. For me the ideal program is one which removes the clutter in the drf and only shows the most important data and allows your mind to see the picture in a clear manner. Mike.

02-12-2008, 11:49 AM	#5
Lefty Grade 1 Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 340	Richie, I looked for your post over tyhere but couldn't find it. Do I need to register to find it? Can you tell exactly where to look for it? Thanks.

02-12-2008, 05:19 PM	#8
MIKE1121 Grade 1 Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 131	Me , either. This last month I have been humbled to the point where I doubt that I know anything. I have never been at such a point of frustration. For 5 years now I have felt that I have been inches away from mastering this game just to find out that I am still inches away. With the economy the way it is and my personal financial situation I am now finding myself in need of making money at this game, breaking even is just wasting my time. Mike.

02-12-2008, 07:07 PM	#9
don p AlwNW2X Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 27	to mike, never think you don't know anything, i have been handicapping professionally just using the visual matchup since 1991, you will have many peaks and valley's.....it's in the valley's that you learn.

02-13-2008, 01:01 AM	#10
MIKE1121 Grade 1 Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 131	You are right, just stay positive, don't press and let it happen. Mike.