EVD Jan 19 Race 1 - Pace and Cap

cprescigno · 01-19-2006, 06:40 PM

Here is the other race I am look at. EVD Jan 19 Race 1 Pacelines

cprescigno · 01-19-2006, 06:44 PM

EVD Jan 19 Race 1 BL/BL Screen
I know the 4 comes up strong here but if what I read is correct and this first fraction goes at about 21.8 or 22.0 the 4 should be out of it.
I am looking for an 8-1 win with an 8-1-5 Trifecta here.

cprescigno · 01-19-2006, 06:44 PM

EVD Jan 19 Race 1 Match Up Screen

Binder · 01-19-2006, 07:05 PM

Charlie Race 1
Val 3
I'd rather stay with one program if you don't mind
as I said we really could use some more Spec help here

anyway this race looks good the 4 has a big advantage on the line score
Im alittle worried about the 4 balance
final odds are a key with these low balance types

The VDC screen
shows
4 - 1
1 - 1
5 - 2
8 - 2
3 - 3

The L/E shows

1 < -6.9
3 > +19.0
4 > +8.5
5 > +17.0
8 < - 11.2
2 CE's late in a 6.0 race MMMMM

this type of race usually becomes a pass
as I can only come up with 1 win bet - the 4 and Iam worried about the
4 balance lets see what happens

RichieP · 01-19-2006, 07:41 PM

Hi Charlie,

Here is my screen shot for the race. I took a little something from Binder here and applied it.

I have used TWO lines for the 4 horse. While it IS true that 2nd line looks outa whack ( tooo good) his line 4 also puts him on top of the heap. Bill and I would meet at the Meadowlands like 7 8 years ago and find these 2 line guys and bet late in the day doubles with them. Back then we would get ridiculous mutuals on some of these guys man 20-30 even 40 dollars to win. It was crazy times.

TODAY mostly they are good fro anywhere from 4 to 8 dollar mutuals.

the question that HAS to be addressed with this 4 horse to me is:
How much has that line 2 back taken OUT of this gal? this is a rat 5 claimer. She also shows gaps tween races sooo there are questions here for sure.

Maybe ODDS will be a help later on. who knows

anyway here is my screen shot with the old "Binder late in the day look"

Bill: do you remember this ??? lol damn brings back memories ha?

stay cool Charlie

cprescigno · 01-19-2006, 11:23 PM

What I was really looking for was a faster first and second call fraction.
I was looking for a first fraction of 21.8-22.1 and a second fraction of 46. That would have eliminated the 4-5-6-7-9 and made the win contenders the 8-1. I was really expecting the 8 to take the lead and produce faster fractions.
I did what "The Hat" said to do. I looked at each horses pacelines and selected the fastest of them, then selected what I thought todays' paceline was going to be. If the pace went according to my plan the 8-1 would have came in I think.
I think the stuff I have read so far will work for me but I just have to get better at it. Everything comes with experience.
You guys were right. With the fractions produced here 22.7 and 46.9 the 4 horse should have taken this race if he ran to form. Then either the 6 or the 5. I can't figure the 7 placing here but I have a lot to learn. Not bad for a first shot and just two reads. The fact that "the hat" can accurately predict the fractions is pretty amazing to me.
Thanks for the help guys. This match up stuff is pretty interesting. Hopefully my result will be better in the 7th race. It was easier to work with and I spent more time with it. We'll see real soon now.

Binder · 01-20-2006, 01:28 AM

Charlie and Rich

turns out to be a good race to pass as the 4 ran bad and the 8 wild late stick
and all wins as the hide horse
Rich I agree there was a time when that 4 horse would have made our night
Charlie thats the cool thing about best of the last 3 comp lines
and looking at 3 readouts for me
BL/BL - L/E - Val/VDC screen

basically without realizing it Validator saw the late #8 and #1 being
strong in this 6.0 race
Notice the Bl/Bl -VDC improvement for the 1 and mostly for the 8 ?
4 to 2 VDC

01-19-2006, 06:44 PM	#2
cprescigno Spec Rookie Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: NYC Posts: 258	EVD Jan 19 Race 1 BL/BL Screen I know the 4 comes up strong here but if what I read is correct and this first fraction goes at about 21.8 or 22.0 the 4 should be out of it. I am looking for an 8-1 win with an 8-1-5 Trifecta here. Attached Images

01-19-2006, 06:44 PM	#3
cprescigno Spec Rookie Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: NYC Posts: 258	EVD Jan 19 Race 1 Match Up Screen Attached Images

01-19-2006, 07:05 PM	#4
Binder Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Northern NJ Posts: 674	EVD Race 1 Val 3 Charlie Race 1 Val 3 I'd rather stay with one program if you don't mind as I said we really could use some more Spec help here anyway this race looks good the 4 has a big advantage on the line score Im alittle worried about the 4 balance final odds are a key with these low balance types The VDC screen shows 4 - 1 1 - 1 5 - 2 8 - 2 3 - 3 The L/E shows 1 < -6.9 3 > +19.0 4 > +8.5 5 > +17.0 8 < - 11.2 2 CE's late in a 6.0 race MMMMM this type of race usually becomes a pass as I can only come up with 1 win bet - the 4 and Iam worried about the 4 balance lets see what happens Attached Images Last edited by Binder; 01-19-2006 at 07:18 PM.

01-19-2006, 07:41 PM	#5
RichieP Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 7,019	Another look Hi Charlie, Here is my screen shot for the race. I took a little something from Binder here and applied it. I have used TWO lines for the 4 horse. While it IS true that 2nd line looks outa whack ( tooo good) his line 4 also puts him on top of the heap. Bill and I would meet at the Meadowlands like 7 8 years ago and find these 2 line guys and bet late in the day doubles with them. Back then we would get ridiculous mutuals on some of these guys man 20-30 even 40 dollars to win. It was crazy times. TODAY mostly they are good fro anywhere from 4 to 8 dollar mutuals. the question that HAS to be addressed with this 4 horse to me is: How much has that line 2 back taken OUT of this gal? this is a rat 5 claimer. She also shows gaps tween races sooo there are questions here for sure. Maybe ODDS will be a help later on. who knows anyway here is my screen shot with the old "Binder late in the day look" Bill: do you remember this ??? lol damn brings back memories ha? stay cool Charlie Attached Images

01-19-2006, 11:23 PM	#6
cprescigno Spec Rookie Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: NYC Posts: 258	What I was really looking for was a faster first and second call fraction. I was looking for a first fraction of 21.8-22.1 and a second fraction of 46. That would have eliminated the 4-5-6-7-9 and made the win contenders the 8-1. I was really expecting the 8 to take the lead and produce faster fractions. I did what "The Hat" said to do. I looked at each horses pacelines and selected the fastest of them, then selected what I thought todays' paceline was going to be. If the pace went according to my plan the 8-1 would have came in I think. I think the stuff I have read so far will work for me but I just have to get better at it. Everything comes with experience. You guys were right. With the fractions produced here 22.7 and 46.9 the 4 horse should have taken this race if he ran to form. Then either the 6 or the 5. I can't figure the 7 placing here but I have a lot to learn. Not bad for a first shot and just two reads. The fact that "the hat" can accurately predict the fractions is pretty amazing to me. Thanks for the help guys. This match up stuff is pretty interesting. Hopefully my result will be better in the 7th race. It was easier to work with and I spent more time with it. We'll see real soon now. Last edited by cprescigno; 01-19-2006 at 11:35 PM.

01-19-2006, 06:40 PM	#1
cprescigno Spec Rookie Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: NYC Posts: 258	EVD Jan 19 Race 1 Here is the other race I am look at. EVD Jan 19 Race 1 Pacelines Attached Images

01-20-2006, 01:28 AM	#7
Binder Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Northern NJ Posts: 674	Race 1 EVD 0119 Charlie and Rich turns out to be a good race to pass as the 4 ran bad and the 8 wild late stick and all wins as the hide horse Rich I agree there was a time when that 4 horse would have made our night Charlie thats the cool thing about best of the last 3 comp lines and looking at 3 readouts for me BL/BL - L/E - Val/VDC screen basically without realizing it Validator saw the late #8 and #1 being strong in this 6.0 race Notice the Bl/Bl -VDC improvement for the 1 and mostly for the 8 ? 4 to 2 VDC Attached Images