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Old 12-25-2007, 08:20 AM   #1
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practice race

sprinters and routers

Hello Rich and Jim

May I show you the steps as I have been seeing in the thread
How best to match just using raw/original times and the entire past performances?

I did this race that Mr Cochran posted in the selections area
but I was busy with the family to do it then

The race is race 6 from Calder

here is what I see \\

Running styles

1 Sus
2.NF
3.Sus
4.EP
5.EP sprinter
6.Early
7.sus
8.sus

Power lines

Code:
1 Line 2  8.3  23.6  48.5  114.8  147.9    7  5  5  3 
3.Line 6  8.5  24.3  49.0  114.4  148.9    6  5  4  1
4.Line 2  8.3  23.6  48.5  114.8  147.9    3  3  3  2 
  line 6  6.0  22.6  46.6  59.6   113.4    1  1  1  1 
5.Line 1  5.5  22.8  47.0  100.2  107.0    3  2  1  1 
  Line 4  6.5  22.7  47.0  113.7  120.7    1  1  1  1 
6.Line 3  8.0  23.8  47.8  113.3  142.6    1  1  1  1  
7.Line 1  8.0  23.8  47.8  113.3  142.6    6  5  5  3 
  Line 3  7.0  22.6  46.1  113.0  127.6    5  7  3  1 
8.Line 1  8.0  24.2  47.9  113.9  141.6    16 7  2  2
projected pace
from horse 4 and 5 i would say like 46.8 113.6

I thought that the 4 and 5 would bother the 6 and My first bet was the 7
I thought the 6 -7 tandem would reverse again and the 7 would win

my second win bet would hav been the fasted route horse the 6

the 5 won and paid 16.00
Pace of race was 24.33 48.36 114.19 141.14 2 2 1 1

Thanks
Ragin
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Old 12-25-2007, 10:49 AM   #2
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Ok let me post the regular pdf past performances for the field. Then I will ask Jim to look at the race and comment ok?

Please be a bit patient as this is the holidays and one of the last things on his mind right now is racing. Having said that Ragin I will definitley show him the race and I'm sure he will comment in a way that will help you.

A very Merry Christmas to you and the "Ragin" clan
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Old 12-25-2007, 10:53 AM   #3
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Old 12-25-2007, 10:58 AM   #4
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Old 12-29-2007, 09:31 AM   #5
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big win at FG

Hello Jim

I used the steps again and had a nice winner at Fair Ground on Thursday
the 27th I bet races 8 and 9 I rushed with race 8 and got shut out but I would have lost
But race 9 was better.
The race was taken off the turf I worked it this way
Here are my lines

Code:
Horse 1  NF No line
Horse 2  EP Line 3   8.5  24.6  49.4  113.6  144.4   3  1  1  1 
Horse 3  EP Line 1   8.0  22.7  46.0  111.4  136.7   3  2  6  7 
Horse 4  EP Line 2   8.0  23.8  47.6  112.5  137.6   4  3  1  1 
Horse 5  NF No line
Horse 6  S  Line 5   8.0  23.0  46.0  110.6  135.8   6  6  4  4
Horse 7  SP Line 3   8.5  24.5  48.2  112.6  144.1   5  7  3  1
Horse 8  scr 
Horse 9  P  Line 5   8.0  23.4  47.6  113.2  139.6   3  3  2  2 
Horse10  P  Line 2   8.5  23.8  47.9  113.3  144.3   2  2  2  2 
Horse11  NF No line
I saw no early need the leads Remember this was a turf race but was on the dirt

when i was looking for power lines I saw horse # 6
46.0 and 110.6

I ran the race in KGEN /thoromation

I have made some screen shots of the happy results
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Old 12-29-2007, 01:26 PM   #6
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Here are some of my readouts using the these lines



Here are all the contenders

I took out the 3 and 9 because the total energy was so low



when I did this the Total energy was so close I just used the 1 adjust



Jim here is were you and Richies post and steps have helped me

I saw the 6 and that it ran well against the fastest pace of race

I new it did it on the dirt like this race became



But thoromation left no doubt



The 6 won and paid $31.00



Thaks RK
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Old 12-29-2007, 04:18 PM   #7
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Tremendous hit Ragin!

I am gonna put up the raw pp's from TM here if folks want to look at the race ok?

As Ragin states the race came off the grass and was run at 8f on the main track

I'll show Jim this race Ragin ok? He is all tied up with the holidays and his Sooners in the Fiesta Bowl in a couple of days so please don't take his silence as anything but being focused on non racing stuff right now

Tremendous hit man. Really

ok let's see some pp's
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Old 12-29-2007, 04:20 PM   #8
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Old 12-29-2007, 04:36 PM   #9
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Race 9

Thank you very much for adding the past performances for the race

The race means a lot to me

I have been working at this

I just had a great feeling about number 6 from the quiet match up

point of lines selection

I sure will look forward to what Jim can add

Hope your sooners do well !!!

Thank you Jim Rich and # 6 Keltish Lass
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Old 12-30-2007, 08:15 AM   #10
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Aberant Pace Lines

Rich,
Question for you on horses who run aberant pace lines. These are pace lines in a horses pp's that are out of wack. If a horse is running in 6f sprints and most of his or hers lines our in the 46 range and it has a race where they ran 44 and it was competitive. (competive to me means a horse that is 5l within the leader at the half and finish) would you use this line as a power line? In the above example wouldn't you consider the 6 horse line of 1:10 an aberant line to use?

Bob

*** A "Power Line" is the fastest pace of race showing where the horse finished competitively. Regardless of track or where it is in the past performances. This is Jim's teaching Bob. Ragin has the sucker nailed man. - RichieP ***

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