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shoe THOROMATION like ENERGY works much better when you have the contenders and their pacelines down. At that time we were working with APV, Mike Pizzolla's PBS numbers and with THOROMATION you had KGEN and TPR ratings to get contenders. As I told RichieP without the older follow-ups and the Sartin seminars I attended these programs would have been hard to figure out.
At the time these programs were far ahead of what other people were doing. Most of the other programs were knockoffs off Doc's PHASEIII programs.
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