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Ted Craven · 12-23-2008, 07:15 PM

Rod,

Whew, holiday time warp, sorry for this delay! You have been mentioning DRF supplied daily variants (DTV) and current inter-track variants (ITV) such as HSH pars. I'm not sure if that means you really like those variants and those track-to-track pars and want to use only those, or if you mean simply 'good and standardized figs'. Naturally I understand you'd like software to do the number crunching for you.

If you like DRF/HSH I think it is possible to use some older Sartin software like Synergism 4 and construct a table of current track pars from major suppliers. Syn4 users could verify this. However, I think that puts you back to hand data-entry.

If what you really mean is that you want reliable and reputable DTV and ITV adjustments in up to date Methodology software which calculates all the Sartin factors - at the risk of sounding like an ad, I could recommend RDSS. The TrackMaster supplied ITV and DTVs work pretty well most of the time (except when they don't...). You get to see the DTV figs on the readouts, but you don't get to see the ITV figs - they are just embedded in the adjusted numbers. RDSS is pretty cheap to get going and use ongoing, but some work to get the hang of contender and paceline selection, readout interpretation and wagering strategy. Just let me know (end of 'ad'). I hope I understood your question re 'Here and Now'.

Re 'Future' and ongoing education, or covering the distance between Modern Pace Handicapping (1991) and 2008, I would recommend 3 steps:

- for historical purposes and also for grasping the mechanics behind some of the still-used modern ideas, get Pace Makes the Race (Dick Schmidt still sells some copies, or his son does via eBay - write to him c/o PaceAdvantage). If you can find the 1st Edition, so much the better.

- delve into the Pace and Cap Sartin Library (but pack a lunch). Read the Dynamics of Incremental Energy and Follow Ups 73 - 88. Many of the screenshots referred to in concept presentation in those later Follow Ups are from older DOS programs but the Factors referred to are still in use today.

- browse through the Hat Check Forum and go over Jim Bradshaw's 5 Step approach to the Match Up

You'll need a Password to the Library, and I'll send that to you by PM. I think it is entirely what Pace and Cap is about to provide a forum for folks who have been using these concepts for a while to be able to respond to others who want to catch up or get the hang of it, like you. You could ask questions as you go along, and as your vocabulary expands, start posing finer and finer grained questions.

Hope that also is in the direction your were thinking.

Happy Holidays!

Ted

12-23-2008, 07:15 PM	#28
Ted Craven Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Nanaimo, British Columbia, Canada Posts: 9,258	Rod, Whew, holiday time warp, sorry for this delay! You have been mentioning DRF supplied daily variants (DTV) and current inter-track variants (ITV) such as HSH pars. I'm not sure if that means you really like those variants and those track-to-track pars and want to use only those, or if you mean simply 'good and standardized figs'. Naturally I understand you'd like software to do the number crunching for you. If you like DRF/HSH I think it is possible to use some older Sartin software like Synergism 4 and construct a table of current track pars from major suppliers. Syn4 users could verify this. However, I think that puts you back to hand data-entry. If what you really mean is that you want reliable and reputable DTV and ITV adjustments in up to date Methodology software which calculates all the Sartin factors - at the risk of sounding like an ad, I could recommend RDSS. The TrackMaster supplied ITV and DTVs work pretty well most of the time (except when they don't...). You get to see the DTV figs on the readouts, but you don't get to see the ITV figs - they are just embedded in the adjusted numbers. RDSS is pretty cheap to get going and use ongoing, but some work to get the hang of contender and paceline selection, readout interpretation and wagering strategy. Just let me know (end of 'ad'). I hope I understood your question re 'Here and Now'. Re 'Future' and ongoing education, or covering the distance between Modern Pace Handicapping (1991) and 2008, I would recommend 3 steps: - for historical purposes and also for grasping the mechanics behind some of the still-used modern ideas, get Pace Makes the Race (Dick Schmidt still sells some copies, or his son does via eBay - write to him c/o PaceAdvantage). If you can find the 1st Edition, so much the better. - delve into the Pace and Cap Sartin Library (but pack a lunch). Read the Dynamics of Incremental Energy and Follow Ups 73 - 88. Many of the screenshots referred to in concept presentation in those later Follow Ups are from older DOS programs but the Factors referred to are still in use today. - browse through the Hat Check Forum and go over Jim Bradshaw's 5 Step approach to the Match Up You'll need a Password to the Library, and I'll send that to you by PM. I think it is entirely what Pace and Cap is about to provide a forum for folks who have been using these concepts for a while to be able to respond to others who want to catch up or get the hang of it, like you. You could ask questions as you go along, and as your vocabulary expands, start posing finer and finer grained questions. Hope that also is in the direction your were thinking. Happy Holidays! Ted __________________ RDSS - Racing Decision Support System™