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socantra · 06-18-2007, 11:15 AM

Joe,

I am a big fan of the TPRs, though I have never used the DOS program that you are apparently talking about. I got the hardback book when it 1st came out in the early 90s, learned how to run the numbers in my head and eventually wrote a basic program for the little Sharp pocket computer, which simplified the process with less damage to my brain.

These numbers were the 1st thing that made me a winner, or as Doc says in the letter, a non-loser. They are very powerful, and have remained at the core of Sartin programs since then, including the Pace Launcher series, Synthesis, Validator and on into Speculator and RDSS.

The operative word in the above statement is "core". The other programs provide many more sophisticated tools for seperating contenders. They lack a pace of the race component and their energy distriburion analysis is very limited, among other things.

A good handicapper can probably win with these numbers alone. On the other hand, a really good handicapper can probably win with a copy of the DRF alone. Ask Jim Bradshaw. In my opinion, the TPRs are most valuable for isolating contenders from also rans and in looking at form cycles.

I doubt there is a manual for the TPR program you are talking about. It was produced to support the book "Pace Makes the Race". That would be your best documentation. There might have been a one pager on how to get it up and running, but that was probably the only documentation ever produced.

There are 2 editions of the book (actually 3, but the 1st was a very limited printing with a lot of typos). The hardback, which had contributions from Doc Sartin and Michael Pizzola is IMO the superior book, but the paperback, which is all Tom Hambleton and Dick Schmidt is slightly updated and is also very good.

You can find the hardback sometimes on eBay, through Abebooks, Alibris, or sometimes with Amazon used sellers. It is a classic and often overpriced, but you can occasionally find it for under $20. The paperback is still available from Dick Schmidt, one of the authors. You can locate him on Pace Advantage, send him an email and he'll get back to you with details. The last I heard, his son was selling it for $15 or $20.

hope that helps.

Dick

06-18-2007, 11:15 AM	#5
socantra Grade 1 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Norman, OK Posts: 387	Joe, I am a big fan of the TPRs, though I have never used the DOS program that you are apparently talking about. I got the hardback book when it 1st came out in the early 90s, learned how to run the numbers in my head and eventually wrote a basic program for the little Sharp pocket computer, which simplified the process with less damage to my brain. These numbers were the 1st thing that made me a winner, or as Doc says in the letter, a non-loser. They are very powerful, and have remained at the core of Sartin programs since then, including the Pace Launcher series, Synthesis, Validator and on into Speculator and RDSS. The operative word in the above statement is "core". The other programs provide many more sophisticated tools for seperating contenders. They lack a pace of the race component and their energy distriburion analysis is very limited, among other things. A good handicapper can probably win with these numbers alone. On the other hand, a really good handicapper can probably win with a copy of the DRF alone. Ask Jim Bradshaw. In my opinion, the TPRs are most valuable for isolating contenders from also rans and in looking at form cycles. I doubt there is a manual for the TPR program you are talking about. It was produced to support the book "Pace Makes the Race". That would be your best documentation. There might have been a one pager on how to get it up and running, but that was probably the only documentation ever produced. There are 2 editions of the book (actually 3, but the 1st was a very limited printing with a lot of typos). The hardback, which had contributions from Doc Sartin and Michael Pizzola is IMO the superior book, but the paperback, which is all Tom Hambleton and Dick Schmidt is slightly updated and is also very good. You can find the hardback sometimes on eBay, through Abebooks, Alibris, or sometimes with Amazon used sellers. It is a classic and often overpriced, but you can occasionally find it for under $20. The paperback is still available from Dick Schmidt, one of the authors. You can locate him on Pace Advantage, send him an email and he'll get back to you with details. The last I heard, his son was selling it for $15 or $20. hope that helps. Dick __________________ "Ils Sont Partis"