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Mitch44 · 11-08-2017, 07:20 AM

Ah an area of controversy as I predicated. Sartin was a man of records and collection of data. Quirin may have led the way or blazed the path.By not accepting main stream data Sartin continually evolved in both his programs and in refining his techniques'.

His original concept was to use the last line unless there was a valid excuse to go back. This was circa 1986 or so. Through his evolution pace line selection also evolved to increase a players win percentage and greater payoffs. Not only did he evolve to the best of the last 3 at a comparable distance he changed his view on layoffs, class of the line and others that were in the original Pace Line manual.

By reading the recommended Follow Up's one will be more apt to succeed.

Of course there are many times the last line is correct and many times that it isn't. The most important factor in HCP is recent form. There are many reasons to go back such as the last line was before a layoff and the horses form was declining, ditto for first race after a layoff. A smart trainer will try a horse at longer distance because there is more purse money in longer races . Ditto for turf races as every horse has a specific preferences.

The handicapper that is flexible in their thinking, adaptable and excepts new ideas will more likely succeed that one who is rigid and fails to adapt and overcome.
I use the latest of Satin's recommendations for picking pace lines, ignore it at your own peril. Note Bill V. posted his latest recommendations above. Only use it if you want to win. Your choice, good luck.

Mitch44

11-08-2017, 07:20 AM	#10
Mitch44 Grade 1 Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: The Villages, Fl. Posts: 3,872	Ah an area of controversy as I predicated. Sartin was a man of records and collection of data. Quirin may have led the way or blazed the path.By not accepting main stream data Sartin continually evolved in both his programs and in refining his techniques'. His original concept was to use the last line unless there was a valid excuse to go back. This was circa 1986 or so. Through his evolution pace line selection also evolved to increase a players win percentage and greater payoffs. Not only did he evolve to the best of the last 3 at a comparable distance he changed his view on layoffs, class of the line and others that were in the original Pace Line manual. By reading the recommended Follow Up's one will be more apt to succeed. Of course there are many times the last line is correct and many times that it isn't. The most important factor in HCP is recent form. There are many reasons to go back such as the last line was before a layoff and the horses form was declining, ditto for first race after a layoff. A smart trainer will try a horse at longer distance because there is more purse money in longer races . Ditto for turf races as every horse has a specific preferences. The handicapper that is flexible in their thinking, adaptable and excepts new ideas will more likely succeed that one who is rigid and fails to adapt and overcome. I use the latest of Satin's recommendations for picking pace lines, ignore it at your own peril. Note Bill V. posted his latest recommendations above. Only use it if you want to win. Your choice, good luck. Mitch44 Last edited by Mitch44; 11-08-2017 at 07:34 AM.